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Old 08-27-2015, 02:22 PM   #31
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Problem must be expectations.
I've had no problem towing my 17B to Alberta ( more than once ), down to Idaho and back through Washington, with a 6 cyl.
You are correct. My vehicle did not meet my expectations when towing in the mountains.
For me that is a problem . I want to feel in control of my vehicle when towing and yesterday l did not feel in control .If you feel your 6 cylinder is adequate ,that's great but I felt my V8 was barely up to the task. If I cross the mountains again ,it will be with a 3/4 ton diesel truck,
I am only stating my opinion not making law,
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Old 08-27-2015, 04:07 PM   #32
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I'm of the opinion. "there's no replacement for displacement". I have done lots of towing. we moved out of our diesel rig so my 24 Kodiak had to be sold. now with a 19' Escape coming soon, my Chevy Silverado 5.3 liter should barely be adequate when fully loaded in the hills.
I would have an opinion, but instead I have experience. 2.7 liters of twin turbocharged displacement tows my fully loaded 19 EASILY up very steep grades - such as Rocky Mountain National Park, the Canyonlands or the Socorro Mountains of NM. Absolutely no problem, and power to spare. Displacement is the cardinal rule - but turbocharging and other technologies sometimes change that rule. I pay way more attention to HP, torque and towing capacity than the number of holes in the block.

An F150 Ecoboost V6 does a fine job of towing a 19 in any conditions - and there are other vehicles which do so too. Ever tow with a VW Touareg?
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:04 PM   #33
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I would have an opinion, but instead I have experience. 2.7 liters of twin turbocharged displacement tows my fully loaded 19 EASILY up very steep grades - such as Rocky Mountain National Park,
Same for me.

I live in CO at 8600' and tow my Escape 19 up and down a mountain every time it moves. My 4.0 liter, 236 HP V6 Tacoma has no problem.

If I were buying a vehicle strictly to tow, I'd go with a full size truck; but the Tacoma better fits the 95% of my life when I'm not pulling a trailer.
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Old 08-27-2015, 08:59 PM   #34
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I'm of the opinion. "there's no replacement for displacement".
This is true, and turbocharging an engine does not change that (I realize you're not saying it does). A larger displacement turbocharged engine will (usually) always put out more hp & torque than a smaller displacement turbocharged engine. Displacement wins.

So saying "there's no replacement for displacement, EXCEPT when turbocharging" doesn't really make sense (to me).
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:12 PM   #35
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We have a 2003 V8 4 Runner and pulling the Highway to Hell up the Coke into Kamloops it tops that grade doing 120. The stock rear air ride sits the Escape 19 2" high. The mpg is 14.5ish imperial. The only trade I would do is a 06-07 Dodge diesel standard so I could haul 100 gallons of fuel not 18. Get lost a lot and need fuel to find my way out of the bush...
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:28 PM   #36
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6,000+ miles on the road this month, and still have about 700 to go. I have yet to see a broken down Toyota on the road, but have seen my fair share of SOBs. LOL!
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Old 08-27-2015, 09:43 PM   #37
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But a turbocharger sounds so totally cool

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Old 08-27-2015, 10:53 PM   #38
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6,000+ miles on the road this month, and still have about 700 to go. I have yet to see a broken down Toyota on the road, but have seen my fair share of SOBs. LOL!
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Old 08-27-2015, 11:59 PM   #39
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Same for me.

I live in CO at 8600' and tow my Escape 19 up and down a mountain every time it moves. My 4.0 liter, 236 HP V6 Tacoma has no problem.

If I were buying a vehicle strictly to tow, I'd go with a full size truck; but the Tacoma better fits the 95% of my life when I'm not pulling a trailer.
I'll second that...

Living in Denver, we have to drive (west bound) from 5000 feet to 11000 feet just to get started. With my plain vanilla 6 and a manual tranny, I don't feel like I'm holding anyone back when I pull the 21'. And like Sturski, my truck is a daily driver 95% of the time.

(Now, if Toyota had offered a reasonable turbo option (not the do-it-your-self kit), or even better, a diesel, I would have jumped on it.)

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Old 08-28-2015, 12:20 AM   #40
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This is true, and turbocharging an engine does not change that (I realize you're not saying it does). A larger displacement turbocharged engine will (usually) always put out more hp & torque than a smaller displacement turbocharged engine. Displacement wins.
Wins what? Would anyone in this forum be happy driving a huge truck that doesn't fit in any parking spot, powered by a 15-litre engine that they need to fuel and maintain? Oh, wait, that's not big enough... there are bigger engines in ships...

Bigger doesn't even mean more power, if the engine can't turn fast enough. No on-the-road heavy truck has as much power as the most powerful cars in the showroom with one-third of the displacement. Yes, I know, only the truck is suitable for continuous operation under heavy load.

How about an engine with suitable power for the job, that isn't excessively heavy and bulky, and can be reasonably maintained?

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A larger displacement turbocharged engine will (usually) always put out more hp & torque than a smaller displacement turbocharged engine.
How much smaller or larger? The 2.7L EcoBoost® V6 available in a Ford F-150 stomps the 3.5L Ti-VCT V6 available in the same vehicle: 43 more horsepower, 122 pound-feet more torque than the bigger engine.

A traditional formula in car racing is that turbocharging counts as a 1.5 multiplier of displacement. The ratio in street use is less extreme.

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So saying "there's no replacement for displacement, EXCEPT when turbocharging" doesn't really make sense (to me).
It makes sense to me. Power output is determined by the rate that air (and fuel in proportion) is processed by the engine. Increase the air density by 50% by pushing it with a supercharger (such as a turbocharger) to 1.5 times atmospheric pressure and you can produce 50% more power.

I suppose you could say "there's no replacement for displacement multiplied by boost pressure ratio", but it doesn't have the same ring.

I think it's hilarious that so many people dismiss turbochargers, yet sing the praises of diesel engines... but every diesel engine in a vehicle depends on one or more turbochargers to be able to produce adequate power. Those 6.7L diesels in big pickup trucks wouldn't be so impressive without their turbos... the displacement fan would need a 10-litre!
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