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Old 01-02-2017, 10:08 AM   #1
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Insulation/thermal windows

I am finally considering extra installation for our trailer. We didn't think we needed it since we live down south and don't plan to do cold-weather camping. But a couple of people told us it would be helpful in hot weather and we wouldn't have to run our air-conditioner as much.
I noticed that thermal windows come with that option, But my husband really likes the Side to side sliding windows to let fresh air pour in on good weather days. don't think side to side sliding windows come insulated do they?
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:16 AM   #2
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I believe that the new options for insulation/insulated windows are the new frameless style only. I don't know if Reace will do the insulation only, without the insulated windows, as they are a package now.
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You will not regret getting the thermo windows and insulation but you may regret not getting them.

Remember rain and water running down the walls can come in the slider windows and you can not leave them open in the rain. Not as much of a problem with the awning windows.
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Old 01-02-2017, 10:42 AM   #4
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The reason for this is Hehr Mfg doesn't want to onesie-twosie parts and because Escape doesn't make 5,000 trailers a year they had to pare down and standardize- not an exact quote but this was the jist of what Reace told me when I asked about a non-split rear frameless window.

Ordering half the insulation package was always an off-label option; we were going to do that for $500 however our single pane window order fell through due to half the windows being back ordered. Having had both I would say the dual pane sliders operate better. Just one of those things that they aren't available anymore.
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The heat loss / heat gain is greater through the windows than through the walls . Insulating the walls without installing thermopane windows would do little to improve cold weather performance . The insulation and Windows are offered as a package for a good reason.
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Old 01-02-2017, 12:46 PM   #6
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Good point, when I had my Eggcamper and was looking into installing thermal windows, the distributor said I was wasting my money since I had a single fiberglass hull and little or no insulation.
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Living in Northern Minnesota / Wisconsin , we are more aware of the factors that affect heating a structure . We live in an area with a design temperature of 25 below zero and almost 9000 degree days.
Our cabin has R 40 walls R 60 ceilings , thermopane argon filled low E windows . The windows account for over 50% of our heat loss.
Many people in my area with older moderately sized homes have heat bills which exceed $500 / month in the winter.
If you ever sat in a chair next to a single pane window when it's 25 below with a strong wind , you will soon discover the advantage of having good windows.
I wish someone would design / build an RV window with a non metallic frame to stop the conductivity lose through the window frame.
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another reason for the new frameless widows.....
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I am finally considering extra installation for our trailer. We didn't think we needed it since we live down south and don't plan to do cold-weather camping. But a couple of people told us it would be helpful in hot weather and we wouldn't have to run our air-conditioner as much.
I noticed that thermal windows come with that option, But my husband really likes the Side to side sliding windows to let fresh air pour in on good weather days. don't think side to side sliding windows come insulated do they?
I remain puzzled as to where the idea came from that the awning windows let less air in. My simple geometric calculations indicate that the awning windows actually have more square inches of open area. They have the full length of each window times about 3 inches and then the triangles on the sides, which is again 3 inches by the entire height (when both sides are considered.) My sliders don't even open an entire half, the top is angled in, which catches rain and brings it inside, the frame intrudes more on the inside, and there is no thermal break on the outside, as there is with the new frameless windows. (see previous pictures and posts on new windows and insulation.) Again, no question in my mind, the new windows are better, a good deal and desirable in both hot and cold climates.
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Tim, I have thought that exact same thing about the new windows.
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