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05-09-2016, 09:10 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Cambridge, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 19' 5/02/17
Posts: 141
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Stumpeded on thermal window options
I'm purchasing the 2017 19'. On the build sheet there is the $1000 Extra insulation and thermal windows vs $1500 extra insulation and frameless thermal windows (includes opening rear window). I thought frameless windows was the only option on the 2017. Is the two options on the build sheet only for those still getting the 2016?
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05-09-2016, 09:22 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: SLO County, California
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21C 2019 Expedition
Posts: 5,213
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Due to popular demand for now one can order current thermal or frameless ones for 2017 models.
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05-09-2016, 09:49 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Cambridge, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 19' 5/02/17
Posts: 141
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Is an opening rear window only available with the frameless?
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05-09-2016, 10:41 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Seatac, Washington
Trailer: "The Trailer", 2nd Gen 21' & a 2017 Tundra CrewMax in Blazing Blue Pearl
Posts: 2,888
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmoke
Is an opening rear window only available with the frameless?
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Correct. And it'll be a split window so you can open both sides or just one side at a time.
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05-10-2016, 08:45 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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I'm going with the frameless option since the metal frame on the old style seems to bring the outside cold inside and frost forms on the metal frame and then drips once it heats up. Hoping the new style will eliminate this issue.
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Jim
Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
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05-10-2016, 11:00 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: Cambridge, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 19' 5/02/17
Posts: 141
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Split window sounds nice.
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05-10-2016, 11:22 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 7,204
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Any RV I have ever owned the back is the dirtiest . Pat
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05-10-2016, 12:11 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
I'm going with the frameless option since the metal frame on the old style seems to bring the outside cold inside and frost forms on the metal frame and then drips once it heats up. Hoping the new style will eliminate this issue.
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Exactly my thinking too Jim
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05-10-2016, 12:21 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
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Frameless ,great if you don't need or want ventilation . If it was me I would go sit in a RV and check it out for myself . Pat
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05-10-2016, 12:33 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda
Frameless ,great if you don't need or want ventilation . If it was me I would go sit in a RV and check it out for myself . Pat
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If I get uncomfortable there is always the fan and a/c, the benefit of no drips plus opening rear plus opening in rain, IMHO far outweighs any perceived diminished air circulation.
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Jim
Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
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05-10-2016, 01:29 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19 "Seventy Degrees"
Posts: 3,495
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda
Frameless ,great if you don't need or want ventilation . If it was me I would go sit in a RV and check it out for myself . Pat
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I second Pat's suggestion, especially if you're not familiar with frameless. Easy to go to an RV show and many of the stickies at the shows will have the frameless windows. Go in and play around with them to your hearts content, they don't mind. I did this recently, because I had never really seen them before.
Big investment, and an easy way to make sure you get the decision right for you.
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05-10-2016, 01:56 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 7,204
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
If I get uncomfortable there is always the fan and a/c, the benefit of no drips plus opening rear plus opening in rain, IMHO far outweighs any perceived diminished air circulation.
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Jim you get what makes you happy . Pat
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05-10-2016, 01:59 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Galesville, Wisconsin
Trailer: 2017 21 "Blue II" & 2017 Highlander XLE (previously 2010 17B "Blue" & 2008 Tacoma)
Posts: 4,234
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Since we camp much more often in cool to cold weather than in hot, I'm more than willing to trade a slight ventilation reduction with less condensation on the metal frames.
In Donna's wise words, YMMV.
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Eric (and Mary who is in no way responsible for anything stupid I post)
"Beware of false knowledge; it is more dangerous than ignorance." George Bernard Shaw
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05-10-2016, 02:10 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Ventura County, California
Trailer: 2013 19 Escape
Posts: 7,204
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thoer
Since we camp much more often in cool to cold weather than in hot, I'm more than willing to trade a slight ventilation reduction with less condensation on the metal frames.
In Donna's wise words, YMMV.
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I think most of us go to hotter or colder climates . It is good to know what to expect . It sure would be the pits to be stuck with windows , you hate and no one informed you so at least you could make a informed decision . Pat
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08-22-2016, 07:13 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Troy, Idaho
Trailer: August 2017 17b
Posts: 227
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patandlinda
Frameless ,great if you don't need or want ventilation . If it was me I would go sit in a RV and check it out for myself . Pat
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So.... do the frameless windows not open... or open only how far?
How do the framed ones open differently?
Had wondered about this, seeing some of the photos posted, and windows flipped open only very slightly.
Thanks!
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08-22-2016, 07:20 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Ponoka, Alberta
Trailer: 2016 19 classic "outta sight", jeep rubicon unlimited
Posts: 1,645
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Keep in mind that the opening frameless windows all have screens in front of the whole window. This might not be bothering, but for some it will.
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08-22-2016, 07:32 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
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Here is my take on the frameless, they open at the bottom maybe up to 6" inches, not as much as the slider BUT, they function in the rain. In addition the entire rubber sealant is protected by the glass on the outside. Over time the rubber around conventional sliders will deteriorate and need replacement. on the frameless they should last a lot longer. On the inside the metal frame is not exposed to the cold exterior so your frost and dripping water should go away and the trailer should be warmer. These are my reasons for switching plus they look better from the outside.
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Jim
Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
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08-22-2016, 08:08 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Troy, Idaho
Trailer: August 2017 17b
Posts: 227
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Thanks so much for the information!
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08-22-2016, 08:30 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Denison, Texas
Trailer: 2015 21'; 2011 19' sold; 4Runner; ph ninezero3 327-27ninefour
Posts: 5,136
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On having ventilation with rain, that is why we had the small 19' awning window installed at the kitchen on our 21' (instead of the standard big slider). We keep it open at night as well as the bath window, and the fan vents. We have had many nights with rain and don't have to close up everything. We do close those windows if it rains hard and the wind blows a great deal, or just keep them open a crack.
In lighter rain, we can keep the awning window open quite a bit. (I also always run the fans for a few minutes when coming back to the trailer in the day, just in case that might help with any condensation.)
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08-22-2016, 08:55 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,051
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
On the inside the metal frame is not exposed to the cold exterior so your frost and dripping water should go away and the trailer should be warmer.
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Just remember, the frame work on the inside of the window is the same whether you get frameless or framed windows. This is a picture Laura took of the 19' Frameless window during the build
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