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Old 06-17-2016, 05:01 PM   #51
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Some of us are interested in the alternatives for couplers and have used various types, but has anyone actually replaced the coupler on their Escape?
Never occurred to me.
Still doesn't.
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:12 PM   #52
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Based on my experience, the yoke-type coupler is my favourite for most purposes and is as secure as any design... and that's what Escape has been using for quite a while. For other specific needs, the Lippert Quick-Bite would be a good way to allow back-in coupling like a fifth-wheel hitch, and either the Quick-Bite or the Bulldog Collar-Lok would probably be more tolerant of the continual force placed on the back of the coupler by an Andersen No-Sway WD system than others.
When we left ETI after some service last month I was surprised to see the hitch latch in the open position with the retaining clip still in after we stopped to camp. At first I thought I had not hitched up right, bit later on in the trip I jacked the tongue up some while still hitched as you would do when installing/removing a WDH. We were just going to spend the night and leave and did so to level up the front some. Next morning I saw the same thing again with the coupler latch in up position with the pin in it.

Do I have some wear issue going on?
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:12 PM   #53
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Some of us are interested in the alternatives for couplers and have used various types, but has anyone actually replaced the coupler on their Escape? The Oliver trailers come with that Bulldog Collar-Lok from the factory.
we are discussing what Oliver uses for hitches not changing out your hitch . . I have one picture of the second Oliver to be made #2 , . Do not know if this is the same as what they use now . What they use now is a 7000 lb cast iron telescoping hitch now . Pat
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When we left ETI after some service last month I was surprised to see the hitch latch in the open position with the retaining clip still in after we stopped to camp. At first I thought I had not hitched up right, bit later on in the trip I jacked the tongue up some while still hitched as you would do when installing/removing a WDH. We were just going to spend the night and leave and did so to level up the front some. Next morning I saw the same thing again with the coupler latch in up position with the pin in it.

Do I have some wear issue going on?
That's strange Ross. There's no way the latch should be in the up position when you're coupled. The pin also prevents the latch from being lifted.
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:30 PM   #55
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It is commercial rated . Every item on their trailers are top notch .
The Legacy Elite II brochure says
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The Legacy Elite (smaller model) brochure specifies 5,000 pound capacity.
First, this is a coupler rather than a hitch, and I don't question that it is most commonly found on heavily used trailers; so are many other brands and styles of coupler. They just say it is used on commercial trailers, not that there is a difference in some rating system between commercial and non-commercial couplers.

I don't doubt that Oliver uses good hardware. In some cases it's not better for the purpose - just heavier. If the buyer wants this coupler (for instance) that's fine, but for those who would get no benefit from it, or even find it inferior in operation to another style, they're just stuck with extra cost and weight for no reason. It's good that there is a choice in trailers, so people can buy what suits them; there is certainly no "best" in this choice, just "best for the specific customer".

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The picture you posted is not what I saw or the information in latest brochure . Pat
The brochures consistently say "cast iron", rather than forged. This could be wrong (it also says "hitch" rather than coupler), but it could also indicate that they are currently using the Bulldog cast design, which is more conventional than the Collar-Lok; the Collar-Lok is visible on Don's trailer and in the photos in the Legacy Elite II brochure and in the photo which Pat posted.

I posted a photo of the A-frame versions of the Bulldog Collar-Lok and a typical yoke-type. Oliver uses the straight-tongue version of the same Collar-Lok coupler, because the end of their tongue is straight. Same coupler, same capacity, same everything except the mounting bracket. You can get straight-tongue yoke-style couplers as well; I'll attach a corresponding image of the straight-tongue version to this post (still in Collar-Lok rather than cast).
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:35 PM   #56
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I have one picture of the second Oliver to be made #2 , . Do not know if this is the same as what they use now . What they use now is a 7000 lb cast iron telescoping hitch now . Pat
That's Bulldog's forged Collar-Lok... the same as you can see on Don's trailer and in the Legacy Elite II brochure.
The telescoping feature is not part of the coupler - the coupler is mounted to a steel tube, which telescopes into the frame.
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When we left ETI after some service last month I was surprised to see the hitch latch in the open position with the retaining clip still in after we stopped to camp. At first I thought I had not hitched up right, bit later on in the trip I jacked the tongue up some while still hitched as you would do when installing/removing a WDH. We were just going to spend the night and leave and did so to level up the front some. Next morning I saw the same thing again with the coupler latch in up position with the pin in it.

Do I have some wear issue going on?
The yoke design doesn't even need the latching lever to stay latched, as force on the moving jaw pulls the yoke more tightly engaged, rather than flipping it up... but I agree with Robert that the pin prevents the lever from being lifted, and in turn the lever keep the yoke from lifting (which allows the jaw to slide back and release the ball).

This can be confusing because it is not always clear what "latch" refers to. The yoke (which wraps around the front and is pinned to the jaw inside) does the latching; in yoke-style couplers there is usually also a lever of some sort on top keep the yoke from moving while in use. Finally, most newer yoke-type couplers (Escape has used more than one brand) have a place to put a pin though the lever... although that's not needed, and my old Atwood doesn't have this feature.

It's hard to imagine what wear would cause this issue, but the situation isn't entirely clear to me. Most of us don't automatically take a photo of everything (although some of the Facebook / Instagram / Twitter addicts can't even eat a burger without taking and posting a photo of it )... but do you have a picture of the coupler in this latch-up but still coupled state?
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Old 06-17-2016, 05:48 PM   #58
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Brian, I don't have a picture. Have been searching this subject and it looks like the coupler on my 21 is an Atwood AT80072.

What got me wondering was your comment about the Andersen putting pressure on the back of the yoke. The rim going around the front of the coupler is slightly curled upward and I did show that to Reace who didn't think it was an issue.
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Old 06-17-2016, 06:24 PM   #59
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It's worth about US$80 at eTrailer.
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That 's funny when you go to e-Trailer nothing for 80 . 200-300 + range .
But if you click the link which I posted, it leads directly to a page of higher-capacity Bulldog Collar-Lok couplers for for US$78.95 and US$79.95. The 7,000 pound capacity Collar-Lok couplers for a 2" ball are US$70.95 and US$73.95.

Although the Oliver literature says "cast iron", I think they're simply wrong, just as they use the wrong term for the component ("hitch" rather than "coupler"). Bulldog doesn't even offer their cast couplers in a straight-tongue version, but a A-frame style cast-head 8,000 pound Bulldog coupler is US$77.95 at eTrailer. I don't think any coupler is worth US$200 (although some might have a list price that high).
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Ron, I really like that first photo. Nice shot!


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Thanks Robert! My wife uses that as her screen saver on her iPad. She always liked that trailer better than the truck camper we had for a couple of years, which is one of the big reasons we are getting an Escape.
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