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Old 11-09-2014, 02:20 PM   #11
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I've got a gazillion dollars worth of software. I really dislike the creative cloud versions because you are renting it, not owning it and it can't be used off-line. Not helpful at all for those that camp and aren't connected.
The creative cloud software works fine off line (the entire program is downloaded to your computer). You do have to connect to Adobe every 90 days to keep it operating. So far I have not had a problem, however I agree that not having complete control over usage annoys me. Still, software updates come along far more often than with the old disk based system.
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Old 11-09-2014, 02:25 PM   #12
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Heck, if you read all the fine print in software user agreements, according to them, you never really own anything -- they just sorta generously grant you the right to use it.
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Old 11-09-2014, 02:27 PM   #13
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I'm using CC at work. Maybe the multi-seat version is different. It definitely says it's not available off-line. We moved everything to the cloud this past year. When the connection gets shakey problems happen!
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Old 11-09-2014, 03:09 PM   #14
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Uh, guys, just a bit of thread drift here:

Maybe a lot of this could be moved into a new thread called photo editing.

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Old 11-09-2014, 03:13 PM   #15
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Uh, guys, just a bit of thread drift here:

Maybe a lot of this could be moved into a new thread called photo editing.
I agree. Until it gets moved...

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Heck, if you read all the fine print in software user agreements, according to them, you never really own anything -- they just sorta generously grant you the right to use it.
True, but there is a difference between buying the right to use it in perpetuity, and renting the right to use it for a limited subscription term.
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Old 11-09-2014, 03:37 PM   #16
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Hey Ron I was thinking we should have one big thread called "Escape stuff" then we wouldn't have to worry about drifting off topic...

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Hey Ron I was thinking we should have one big thread called "Escape stuff" then we wouldn't have to worry about drifting off topic...
Still sounds a little narrow... maybe just "Stuff" :
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Old 11-09-2014, 04:43 PM   #18
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Now that we've moved to a new thread I can point out that there must be differences between the individual & group CC memberships.

I have used Dreamweaver CC & Photoshop CC for a week at a time well out of range any internet connection. Twice since starting the subscription I have received a screen notice that I have XX (starting at 90) days to connect with Adobe to continue the use of the software. Both times I did not have an internet connection, and in both cases, it automatically reset (without any obvious connection to Adobe) once I had an internet connection. While I'm often without the internet while traveling, I have never been without it for more than a week.

All in all, while I'm unhappy with the idea that the software I'm paying for might not be available when I want to use it, so far it has not been a problem either at home or on the road. My subscription gives me access to ALL the Adobe software, and I have been able to use some of the applications that I would have never felt necessary enough to pay for separately.

I do think the Lightroom/Photoshop combination for $10.00 per month is a pretty good deal. While I have used Photoshop Essentials Version 8 (I have been teaching classes at our local library & it is the latest version they have) I have a number of Actions I've written in Photoshop that are not available with Essentials. Other than that & the fine tuning of adjustments available in the full version of Photoshop, I agree that Essentials will do most of what a photographer wants. Actually, I find I do 95% of my editing in Lightroom, and is a great image indexing tool. If I had to pick one application, it would be Lightroom.
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Jon, you have the skill set to notice the differences between Elements and Photoshop. I haven't tried Lightroom, but I sure love the photo editing abilities of Aperture. I'm sorry that it is going away. Apple is supposedly going to bring a lot of its abilities into the new Photo app - I hope its true.

Sometimes the editing capabilities of these new powerful programs makes it seem like cheating! It so easy to improve photos, doing in seconds what took forever to accomplish in a darkroom.
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I've used Photoshop for about 20 years but never upgraded from CS3. When I go full-time (10/15), will probably buy Elements to install on my laptop since I'll be waving good-bye to my iMac. Never used Lightroom but sat with a friend while he was using it last week and now I know why it is so loved.
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