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Old 11-07-2019, 12:52 AM   #21
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I have a friend, a great long time friend but when I go to help him on a boat project etc. he goes round and round on small details. Drives me absolutely nuts. I've ended up countless times saying, "I could have finished the project in the time we've spent going round and round on details might not ever be needed."

I guess if I had a personal motto it would be "A journey of a thousand miles......"

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Old 11-07-2019, 12:59 AM   #22
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I generally like to plan thoroughly.

And then put the job off, until I have a plan.
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Old 11-07-2019, 07:07 AM   #23
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What is the saying "When you are up to your neck in a swamp filled with alligators, you forget that your initial goal was to drain the swamp!"
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:43 AM   #24
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Another possibility for the shelf guards in the medicine cabinet - Lowes sells white PVC 1 1/4" x 1 1/4" corner guards. 144" for $11.28 so share!
I think Home depot sells a similar thing in clear plastic, so you can see if something has fallen down behind it. Lowes probably does also.
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Old 11-07-2019, 11:18 AM   #25
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A key part of my answer was "My design process" Lot's of folks do sort through and plan every item for a project ahead of time. But especially if you haven't nailed it down to one design then it's doing a lot of extra work for nothing.

I just decide what I want the finished item to be and get going on it. I know that there'll be some things to sort out along the way but I've got enough confidence that I can find a solution and make it work.

The follow-up form for the disability projects that I build asks "Do plans for this project exist?" The answer is always no. My process doesn't work for everyone but, on the other hand, I've seen folks bogged down, going round and round on details and never take the most critical action to getting the job done; take the first step.

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Iím intrigued with your approach...it does take a creative and intelligent mind to both have the confidence as well as the ability to solve problems like this one.

I find that creating art has a similar path. Sometimes the project tells you what it needs, instead of you having a preplanned approach. Most times, this intuitive approach and the ďgive-and-takeď part of the process renders a much better final product!

As far as such modifications go for the Escape, I must follow a pre--set list of instructions or process. In other words, have the end picture in mind. Such construction and mods are just out of the realm of my comfort zone and experience.
So, Iíll be curious to see how you solve this one! I hope you share your final product.
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Old 11-07-2019, 11:48 AM   #26
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I have a friend, a great long time friend but when I go to help him on a boat project etc. he goes round and round on small details. Drives me absolutely nuts. I've ended up countless times saying, "I could have finished the project in the time we've spent going round and round on details might not ever be needed."

I guess if I had a personal motto it would be "A journey of a thousand miles......"

Ron
I have a term I have come to use over the years for this. ďOver-AnalisingĒ Like Ron, that takes the fun out of the process for me.
When I built the pvc bunk beds for the 17b a number of years back, I had the concept, purchased the raw materials, and built on the fly. Adjustments happened as I built and ended up with a great set of bunks, for low cost that served our kids well for two years. Total time was about four hours from concept to finished project. When it was time to sell they quickly disassembled to restore the trailer to original condition, with no permanent damage to the front dinette area. Iíve had friends ďOver-AnaliseĒ bunk bed projects that took months to complete and didnít turn out any better and some worse, not to mention all the stress and time.
The trailer is a tool for my wife and I to get out and have adventures. If something can be added or changed on the trailer to make a better experience, I come home and solve it. Otherwise, ďDonít Worry, Be HappyĒ would be my motto.
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Old 11-07-2019, 01:54 PM   #27
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Designing and building are extremely sensitive, personal acts, especially when I'm not even sure it's going to work. I get real testy when interrupted on a project with suggestions from a well-intentioned but clueless do-gooder.
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Old 11-07-2019, 02:23 PM   #28
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I get real testy when interrupted on a project with suggestions from a well-intentioned but clueless do-gooder.
All I'll say is "me too".

Your projects are also shaped like mine. First an idea, then a look through the "junk too good to throw out" box. For example the pieces of plastic for my two panels were both ones sitting in my misc. plastic scrap box for about 30 years. No cutting or design required.

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Old 11-07-2019, 03:47 PM   #29
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All I'll say is "me too".

Your projects are also shaped like mine. First an idea, then a look through the "junk too good to throw out" box. For example the pieces of plastic for my two panels were both ones sitting in my misc. plastic scrap box for about 30 years. No cutting or design required.

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Also keep many items which I find useful later . Might be years later . One was a 6 ft window being thrown away from a job . Years later after I hauled it home it ended up going on the studio I built . In my younger years going down the streets on trash day picked up lots , some sold , some used , sometimes installed and helped someone else out . Like a thrown out screen door installed for a family who needed one and couldnít afford one. They didnít have a screen door and a German Shepard started to come in .Picked up thrown out tile , made many tables , some of those also sold .
Also even when I am on a course to do something always will take suggestions. I donít know everything and always want to learn . If it isnít something I can use thatís ok , I still will listen and appreciate them trying to help . Pat
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:00 PM   #30
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I have a file in the back of my mind of stuff I have around. When I had my aframe I did a lot of storage mods just keeping the problem running in the background of my mind and trying to match existing stuff to solutions. I figured out how to configure the cushions for a narrow bed and a hanging shelf that was easy to put up and take down. Some of those projects are used in the escape, but it is well designed and has lots of storage that aside from the elfa in the wardrobe, I’m mostly just tinkering. It is a considerable part of my enjoyment of a trailer.

Greg, are there pics somewhere here of your bunks? I’d really like to see what you did.
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Old 11-07-2019, 08:28 PM   #31
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I can’t recall if the pvc bunk beds are on here, but I did find the original posting.
https://www.scampowners.com/forums/pvc-pipe-bunk-bed
We also did closet shelves using the pvc pipe in the 17b which also were easily removed if you didn’t want them.
https://www.scampowners.com/forums/closet-shelves
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:26 PM   #32
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Thanks—that’s very cool. I think the pvc aisle at Home Depot is like tinker toys. Lots of things for my aframe started there.
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Old 11-08-2019, 12:59 PM   #33
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I canít recall if the pvc bunk beds are on here, but I did find the original posting.
https://www.scampowners.com/forums/pvc-pipe-bunk-bed
Excellent!
We have Grandbabies and want them to come camping and I had already bought a bunch of PVC pipes and elbows, etc.
This crystalizes what is attainable.
Thank you.
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Old 11-08-2019, 01:29 PM   #34
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medicine cabinet shelf guard

Here's yet another medicine cabinet shelf guard.

I started with 2 drawer dividers and cut them with a bandsaw. I was considering attaching them with double-sided tape, but haven't -- they fit snugly, seem to stay in place, and it's nice to remove them to clean.

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Old 11-09-2019, 01:50 PM   #35
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Here's yet another medicine cabinet shelf guard.

I started with 2 drawer dividers and cut them with a bandsaw. I was considering attaching them with double-sided tape, but haven't -- they fit snugly, seem to stay in place, and it's nice to remove them to clean.

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