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Old 08-31-2016, 12:20 AM   #11
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I think they would route a piece of Romex between the two desired points and leave both ends disconnected. That would leave it up to the owner to install the rest of the setup without code/safety issues for them.
What I am saying is that they do not do it at all. They will not put in such switches for the electric. Maybe they could use your idea to do it.
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Old 08-31-2016, 01:33 AM   #12
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This had me a little puzzled. People seem to be talking about 120V AC wiring for control of the electric element. Yes, there's a 120V AC switch behind the outside door of the heater, but wouldn't the remote control be 12V DC, just like the propane control switch? The little switch in the proposed replacement monitor & switch panel is probably only a low-power 12V DC switch, intended to be used this way.

Apparently my confusion arose from the version of the appliance used: although this is not mentioned anywhere I could find on the Airxcel (which includes Suburban) website, the SW6DEL has a relay allowing remote control of electric operation with a 12V switch (just like the propane), but the SW6DE doesn't have the relay, so all that is left is for you to control the 120V AC power directly. It looks like Escape is using the SW6DE, and that's all that's currently offered on the Airxcel website (although at least one retailer offers both the SW6DE and - for a few dollars more - the SW6DEL).

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I think the request would have to be phrased to put your switch upstream of the electrical feed to the water heater; in effect you would have two switches in series. Escape wouldn't want to tie into the WH electrical switch as that would void the manufacturers warranty.
Right - Even without the "L" version and the resulting easy-to-run light-gauge 12V DC wiring, there's no reason to break into the wiring within the appliance. The inside switch is just an ordinary 120V AC switch with suitable capacity (which means a 15-amp 125V AC light switch) in the circuit which supplies the heater. You might want one with an indicator light, if you are concerned about it being left on when it shouldn't be.
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Old 08-31-2016, 05:23 AM   #13
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I think the request would have to be phrased to put your switch upstream of the electrical feed to the water heater; in effect you would have two switches in series. Escape wouldn't want to tie into the WH electrical switch as that would void the manufacturers warranty.
I fail to see how putting the electrical feed upstream of the water heater on an inside switch would constitute a code violation as it is in effect already being done with, as Charlie and Brian says, two switches in series. Every 120v circuit in the trailer is protected by a circuit breaker which is nothing but a (smart) "switch." I cannot remember, but if the 120v water heater element is on a dedicated circuit, technically, the water heater switch could be left in the on position and turned on or off with the breaker. Adding a third switch in series would serve the same purpose, but it would add a third location to check if the electrical element failed to power on.
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:39 AM   #14
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So you guys think ETI will put the switch in ?
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Old 08-31-2016, 07:45 AM   #15
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They might Jim, but they probably won't wire the switch for the electric water heater. You could always ask.

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I added an interior switch for two reasons. First, the outside switch failed on mine (it seems to be an often repeated problem) and replacing it wasn't much fun. It now stays on all the time. The second reason is I wanted an easy way to shut off the water heater when connected to a 15 Amp service. While I could go outside & use the heater mounted switch, it might be raining!

I wired a standard 15 amp household switch in series with the circuit breaker. I didn't add a light since I leave it on all the time (except when I need to reduce power usage) and didn't want another "glowing" nightlight.

I also added an "on" light to the propane switch so I will remember to shut it off after it gets hot...
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I added the LED in the water heater switch too Jon, taking the idea from you, Jim Bennett and others. Since I don't have the two way water heater, no need for the electrical switch. I still think a simple switch to control the electrical side is the easiest way to go -- unless Escape will install and wire the switch mentioned by the OP, and it can be wired to the model that Escape uses. That's a really elegant solution.

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I think they would route a piece of Romex between the two desired points and leave both ends disconnected. That would leave it up to the owner to install the rest of the setup without code/safety issues for them.
Charlie, we have installed disconnect switches ahead of appliances with their own controls lots. I doubt it would be a code issue, and definitely not a safety on. It would be good to hear from someone who knows definitely with this situation though.
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They are using the SW6DE. Maybe that is why they won't do the electric switches.
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The other component I planned to install is the Suburban Water Heater Relay no. 232948 , Suburban Water Heater Relay, 232948

The relay connects between the 120v supply and the heater - see the wiring diagram for the 12v and 120v connections. This should meet any code requirements as it matches the SW6DEL.
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