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12-18-2015, 09:32 PM
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#21
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 8,813
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Quote:
Originally Posted by J Mac
Wouldn't the open windows, the bathroom vent, the stove top vent, the MaxFan and possibly door, let the heat and noise in?
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We often, even in summer, don't keep any windows open overnight. Maybe a hatch cracked open, but that's it. I know in some much hotter areas some would want windows open all night but most of the time ours are closed and we've heard the difference in noise level with them closed so we're happy to have them.
Ron
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12-18-2015, 10:15 PM
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#22
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Denison, Texas
Trailer: 2015 21'; 2011 19' sold; 4Runner; ph ninezero3 327-27ninefour
Posts: 5,136
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Floating Cloud
Insulation may do even better at keeping the heat out in summer (with most windows closed and vents open a little) than keeping heat in, in cold weather. Depends on how much heat on the trailer in summer. Covering windows in summer is very important also to keep heat out.
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I will add to my own post. I meant to say the above for daytime. In hot weather, it is best to open windows at night to let the cooler air in, keeping them closed in the day.
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12-19-2015, 08:21 AM
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#23
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Friendswood, Texas
Trailer: 2015 Escape 19' (sold), Escape 5.0 as of August 2019 (sold)
Posts: 664
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We don't have the extra insulation and double pane Windows and don't miss it. Of course we are in Texas and camp in milder winters and hot summers. We elected for the insulation under the trailer to keep the floors at a more constant temperature. We have been as low as 35 degrees F and as high as 100 F. No real condensation problems with proper ventilation and the furnace and air conditioner really keep the inside warm/cold. It was a cost/benefit decision for us and we are happy with our decision.
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12-19-2015, 09:59 AM
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#24
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2008 Escape 17b
Posts: 1,868
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
We often, even in summer, don't keep any windows open overnight. Maybe a hatch cracked open, but that's it. I know in some much hotter areas some would want windows open all night but most of the time ours are closed and we've heard the difference in noise level with them closed so we're happy to have them.
Ron
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How are you able to measure the difference in noise levels if you only camp with one trailer?
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12-19-2015, 10:09 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,051
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Those of us that have had more than one molded trailer and went from single-pane to double-pane windows know the noise level difference. I camp a lot at one particular campground, often in the same site. Granted the people around me are different each time. But when I go inside Ten Forward and shut the door (no windows or vents open), its very quiet. That wasn't usually the came in the Scamp with the single-pane windows. Trust me.
BUT, YMMV
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Ten Forward
2014 Escape 5.0TA
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12-19-2015, 10:20 AM
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#26
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,124
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Quiet must be subjective. After having a soft sided trailer, the Escape is indeed an improvement, but not nearly as much as I had hoped for. Try sleeping in a Walmart parking lot, you'll see what I mean. And yes, I have the extra thermal package.
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Bob
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12-19-2015, 10:40 AM
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#27
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2008 Escape 17b
Posts: 1,868
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
Those of us that have had more than one molded trailer and went from single-pane to double-pane windows know the noise level difference. I camp a lot at one particular campground, often in the same site. Granted the people around me are different each time. But when I go inside Ten Forward and shut the door (no windows or vents open), its very quiet. That wasn't usually the came in the Scamp with the single-pane windows. Trust me.
BUT, YMMV
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I hear what you're saying Donna, and I do trust you, but I think you're comparing noise levels from 2 entirely different sources (trailers).
Again, if I was pondering the insulation/double glazed window option ($1000.00 extra and not all windows are going to be double glazed) I would try to imagine my camping requirements and buy accordingly. Summertime use, in my opinion, this option is not necessary if there is no air conditioning unit ($1100.00 extra) and you want to open windows and or your door. Winter camping use, most definitely get the option.
I certainly would not buy the option because I felt it would be that much quieter.
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12-19-2015, 10:45 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Portland, Oregon
Trailer: 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Posts: 11,051
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I purchased the option more for the condensation issue. Second winter and they're working as I had hoped. Too, summer doesn't always mean camping when it's HOT... remember a lot of folks on the west coast camp at the beach where it's 60 degrees in July/August.
I think Bob said it best "Quiet must be subjective."
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Ten Forward
2014 Escape 5.0TA
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12-19-2015, 10:49 AM
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#29
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Oswego, New York
Trailer: 2017 Escape 21C, 2018 Ford F150
Posts: 5,373
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Quote:
Originally Posted by J Mac
I think I'd have to agree that it's probably desirable to have the extra insulation and double glazed windows if you winter camp cutting down on condensation and such, but I'm still puzzled on how, with out air conditioning (AC), it's cooler and quieter in the summer. Without AC wouldn't the windows be open to make use of the fans? Wouldn't the open windows, the bathroom vent, the stove top vent, the MaxFan and possibly door, let the heat and noise in?
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In bright, direct sunlight, even the white surface of the Escape gets at least warm, and sometimes hot. Without the extra insulation, that reradiates to the inside even with the windows open. The extra insulation will cut down this effect.
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12-19-2015, 10:55 AM
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#30
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2008 Escape 17b
Posts: 1,868
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vermilye
In bright, direct sunlight, even the white surface of the Escape gets at least warm, and sometimes hot. Without the extra insulation, that reradiates to the inside even with the windows open. The extra insulation will cut down this effect.
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Sure, but by how much?
Wouldn't that same insulation keep the re-radiated heat inside?
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12-19-2015, 11:02 AM
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#31
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Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Olathe, Kansas
Trailer: 2015 21ft Escape "Spirit of the Plains", 2014 GMC Sierra with max tow package
Posts: 1,100
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It depends entirely on how and where the owner is going to use the trailer, but it is a trailer and most see a wide range of climates. In 2 nights you can be from up in the cold of the mountains to the heat of the desert, but it gets cold there too. And Texas is a steam bath in the summer. Since I use our trailer in the early spring and late fall in the upper Midwest, all of the insulation packages and heat pads were the first thing on the build sheet. And if it was up for sale, it would appeal to a wider range of buyers. Loren
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12-19-2015, 11:29 AM
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#32
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
Location: ..., New Mexico
Trailer: 2013 Esc19/'14 Silvrado
Posts: 4,193
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52 per cent. This information can be obtained by reading a copy of the U.S. Congressional Safety Pamphlet, XXVII, Department of Trailer Double-Pain Silence and Inter-continental Shower Condements , page 99, sub-paragraph D.
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"A billion here, a billion there...add it all up and before you know it you're talking real money." Everett Dirkson
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12-19-2015, 11:40 AM
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#33
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2008 Escape 17b
Posts: 1,868
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Loren & Cathy
It depends entirely on how and where the owner is going to use the trailer, but it is a trailer and most see a wide range of climates. In 2 nights you can be from up in the cold of the mountains to the heat of the desert, but it gets cold there too. And Texas is a steam bath in the summer. Since I use our trailer in the early spring and late fall in the upper Midwest, all of the insulation packages and heat pads were the first thing on the build sheet. And if it was up for sale, it would appeal to a wider range of buyers. Loren
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That's pretty much what I'm saying. Figure out what kind of camping seems appealing or that you currently do, and adjust the option list accordingly. The areas that you are most likely to frequent should also come into consideration. There's no sense in paying for options that will not come in useful just because they may appeal to a wider range of buyer when it comes time to sell. If that were the case, all options should be purchased.
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12-19-2015, 12:13 PM
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#34
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Bellingham and Glacier, Washington
Trailer: 2013 Escape 15A
Posts: 2,055
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Quote:
Originally Posted by J Mac
How are you able to measure the difference in noise levels if you only camp with one trailer?
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I totally agree here. I have the extra insulation but was mildly shocked at how loud my television/music was from outside of the trailer one winter evening. (No, I don't have a hearing problem...yet.) So I am not in the noise-reduction faction with regard to extra insulation as I think it is insignificant.
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2013 Escape 15A, "Egbert"
'93 Ford 150 XLT or
'22 GMC Acadia Denali
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12-19-2015, 12:39 PM
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#35
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Kelowna, British Columbia
Trailer: 2008 Escape 17b
Posts: 1,868
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MyronL
52 per cent. This information can be obtained by reading a copy of the U.S. Congressional Safety Pamphlet, XXVII, Department of Trailer Double-Pain Silence and Inter-continental Shower Condements , page 99, sub-paragraph D.
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Only 52%...that surprises me but, I knew I was right. Dang, I knew I'd read this somewhere, I just couldn't remember when or where. Thanks Myron.
By The Way, the information contained within this document is also applicable in Canada!!
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01-04-2016, 07:33 PM
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#36
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Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2018 5TA
Posts: 31
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We've spent April in the mid northern BC area, and last November were on Vancouver Island for 2 weeks. With a small electric heater we were able to keep the inside temperatures at 21 degrees (table height) when it was only +3 outside. The insulation, although thin, along with the windows seemed to offer fairly decent heat retention. Without it I suspect things would have got much, much colder.
As for noise reduction, it doesn't work for that, only heat retention.
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09-05-2018, 05:54 PM
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#37
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 259
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We purchased our 19, with double insulation, in the walls and ceiling, as well as double windows.
We did not get insulation in the floor, we have throw carpets.
Our first night after we bought the trailer, while pulling it home was minus 10 Celsius.
Started the furnace, had a glass of wine.
Went to bed had a nice comfortable sleep.
Doug
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10-05-2018, 12:48 AM
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#38
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Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida
Trailer: 2004 aliner
Posts: 9
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We are new to Escapes and are shopping for a used one. If you do not get the thermal windows a insulation option, does the standard trailer come with any type of insulation like reflectix type or is that considered the insulation package?
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10-05-2018, 05:18 AM
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#39
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: None, sold my 2014 5.0TA
Posts: 7,124
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Standard is the upper half (roughly) of the trailer has insulation, the lower has nothing, just a single layer of gel coated fiberglass.
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Bob
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10-05-2018, 07:09 AM
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#40
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Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida
Trailer: 2004 aliner
Posts: 9
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Padlin
Thanks for the information. This site and members are awesome!
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