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Old 12-08-2013, 01:12 PM   #71
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Right - when did granite become the lesser second choice (to quartz) for countertops? Plastic laminate served fine for decades, at a small fraction of the cost, but the fashion - promoted on 24 hours per day of home renovation TV shows - demands nothing than a countertop which costs as much as all of the cabinets.
(The real joke is that the "quartz" is stone chips, bonded together in plastic, so it isn't even real stone)

Things which become assets of valuable do need to be saleable to the next person, but other than that if an expenditure doesn't make your life better, it is wasted. If it is to keep up with the neighbors (and in today's world of communication, everyone on the planet is a neighbor to compete with), then it had better make you very happy to match those neighbors!
A couple of good posts Brian... and when did 4-5 bathrooms become the norm?
As for countertops, after 20 plus years we are finishing the kitchen ( do not ask ! )
and will probably do the tops with portland cement. Seems to be popular and a lot less cost. Besides, when we sell, new buyers today seem to redo the kitchen anyway.
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Old 12-08-2013, 02:53 PM   #72
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In my neighborhood we've witnessed folks spend money on "making the house more attractive to sell" only to later watch the new owners rip it all out and start over. Lesson learned: just fix up for your own use. Later owners will do the same.

But that being said....

We are down to 1 working stove top burner, both ovens dead, no dish washer, noisy hood fan and leaking plumbing. We're splurging on the countertops because we both hate grouted anything and have each done really bad things to plastic laminate.

We almost got a FGRV just to cook in during the remodel. But I'm doing pretty well with an induction hot plate so far...
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Old 12-08-2013, 04:18 PM   #73
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Right - when did granite become the lesser second choice (to quartz) for countertops? Plastic laminate served fine for decades, at a small fraction of the cost, but the fashion - promoted on 24 hours per day of home renovation TV shows - demands nothing than a countertop which costs as much as all of the cabinets.
(The real joke is that the "quartz" is stone chips, bonded together in plastic, so it isn't even real stone)
We install tons of granite and quartz countertops. Granite has been the go to for many years now, and really has not gone up in cost. Quartz has been around for a while, and about 10 years it started taking off in popularity.

Quartz has a lot of benefits. There are now 1000's of choices. Seeing it is either stone chips, or smaller stones (yes, real stone), set in a resin, it is a lot less porous than granite, important where staining is a possibility. It works great for eating bars, in that it does not need additional support brackets in most places due to being way stronger than granite. Another thing that many people like, is the consistency of the product from sheet to sheet, maintaining an even look to the finish.

For me personally, that last reason is why I prefer the look of natural stone. I just love Mother Natures patterns put into them. One couple we installed some granite for were divided on a particular area that was a bit different. She called it a blemish, and he thought it was a beauty mark.
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Old 12-08-2013, 09:52 PM   #74
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Granite has been the go to for many years now, and really has not gone up in cost.
That's a bit like saying Ferraris are not much more expensive than they used to be

I'm not questioning that these premium products have benefits; the question - whether it is your Escape options or your kitchen countertops - is whether or not the expenditure provides corresponding enjoyment.

This seems especially relevant for stuff which claims long life as an advantage, but is routinely thrown out after a few years just for the sake of fashion. Jim, I assume that you have hauled perfectly good 10-year-old granite countertops out of houses because the next owner wanted a different colour, even though that material could have served well for decades (yes, much longer than laminate, but it doesn't matter as it hits the dumpster).

Another area for this concern (mentioned earlier) is electronics. An Escape trailer will last decades, but whatever television you put in will be obsolete in a few years, so maybe it's not worth a lot of expenditure. A good mounting setup might have value for much longer than the TV itself.
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Old 12-11-2013, 06:43 PM   #75
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Thanks for the financial advice
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Old 12-11-2013, 09:22 PM   #76
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I refuse to get sucked into the biggest, fastest, smartest, newest group. I buy and continue to own computers, phones, vehicles and a trailer that works best for me. Shoot, I own two cars that have 8-track players! Ya know what... they still work and I love them. When the cash outlay meets my needs... I buy. But, not until then.

Donna D. who has four cars where the newest is a 1967 and a 2000 truck. The wheels continue to turn!
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