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Old 02-09-2016, 07:03 PM   #31
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Keep in mind the hitches front to rear adjustment. Also, 10 years now and I've yet to need
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Bob, we do a lot of our camping, boondocking on forest service and mining roads, most are single lane. When you have to back up or make a turn it can be pretty tight and challenging. Plus my wife is all about the view at campsites. When we had our truck camper she once spotted me between two trees, about 3” off the front bumper and 6” off the back. So yes, I for one have been real close to 90 degrees once or twice. Scott

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Old 02-09-2016, 07:16 PM   #32
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The hitch guy called with a price of $989 installed for a slider but needs to know what the height of the pin is, while level and the height of the trailer body above the pin to see if it will miss my side rails which are 53" high off the ground. Sent an email to ETI for further info.
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:18 PM   #33
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I had a 2014 Ram 1500 ecodiesel short bed (5'7") towing my 5.0TA that I picked up march 2015 from ETI. Trademasters installed the rails for a B&W patriot hitch but they positioned it slightly in front of the axle. Once, the front of the trailer hit the TV cab when I made a very sharp turn backing up. Caused a very slight dent on the TV.
I now traded the 1500 RAM to a 2500 ram diesel with the 6"5" bed. Using the same B&W hitch, I now have plenty of turning clearance.
I am considering getting a RAM 2500, did you have to raise the trailer? I have the 6.5 bed, so clearance is not my issue. I simply want more power.
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:21 PM   #34
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Why not improve your hemi with a chip and cold air intake....Bruce-BCNomad has had good success with that combo.
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:33 PM   #35
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The hitch guy called with a price of $989 installed for a slider but needs to know what the height of the pin is, while level and the height of the trailer body above the pin to see if it will miss my side rails which are 53" high off the ground. Sent an email to ETI for further info.
Jim, I thought you were thinking of the Andersen Ultimate? Can't you just turn that around for extra length? All I know, that be it diesel or gas any future truck that I own will have at least a 6.5' bed to tow my "old school classic". Scott

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Old 02-09-2016, 07:39 PM   #36
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Why not improve your hemi with a chip and cold air intake....Bruce-BCNomad has had good success with that combo.
That sounds interesting and much less expensive. I assume Bruce is on the forum?
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:41 PM   #37
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Jim, I thought you were thinking of the Andersen Ultimate? Can't you just turn that around for extra length? All I know, that be it diesel or gas any future truck that I own will have at least a 6.5' bed to tow my "old school classic". Scott

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I had to go up to the 3.5L instead of the 2.7L Ecodiesel in order to get the 6.5' bed. I have owned a pickup for 35 years now, and other than one Toyota Hilux, they all have had 8' boxes. 5.5' boxes seem so darn small to me, and I really don't like the look with a crew cab either.
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I just measured my truck bed, height is 22", bed is 6'5" lip to lip and the distance to axle center is 39-40" from the vehicle body, the bed is 6'5" wide. Escape lists the width to be 88", so midpoint would be 44" which is 4" too wide unless the body is more tapered than 2" from center axis.
Yes, it's too wide for a turn which places the trailer at 90 degrees to the truck - I don't think there is any significant taper to the trailer body.

If the body had square corners and the pin were at the front edge of the body, and the hitch placed the pin at the axle line, I calculate the angle before the trailer corner would hit the cab would be 62 degrees (the arctangent of 39/44). Fortunately, the front corners are rounded, and the pin is placed slightly ahead of the front of the body, both of which help the turning angle so the combination can actually turn more sharply than that.

I think this is a very common situation for Escape owners - most full-size and mid-size trucks have these proportions in length.

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I had a 2014 Ram 1500 ecodiesel short bed (5'7") towing my 5.0TA that I picked up march 2015 from ETI. Trademasters installed the rails for a B&W patriot hitch but they positioned it slightly in front of the axle.
The rail position is determined by the mounting brackets. The brackets are designed to work with the frame (including mounting holes in the frame, bed support positions, etc) and usually place the rails centred on a position just ahead of the axle line. The installer normally has no choice in this position.


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Keep in mind the hitches front to rear adjustment.
The B&W Patriot is unusual in that it allows some fore-aft adjustment of the hitch head (and thus pin) position... but many (most?) don't have this adjustment. The rearmost setting of a Patriot (pn rails centred an inch or two ahead of the axle) would be slightly behind the axle centreline... which would still be very close for a 5.0TA (but more workable for the narrower 5.0).

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Also, 10 years now and I've yet to need 90 degrees of trailer angle.
True, that's the extreme. With trailers much longer than the truck a 90-degree angle is needed to get the tightest possible turn, but you should never need to go that far with a pickup and an Escape (the truck's combination of wheelbase and steering angle keep it from turning tightly enough to get the trailer to this angle).
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Old 02-09-2016, 08:07 PM   #39
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I am considering getting a RAM 2500, did you have to raise the trailer? I have the 6.5 bed, so clearance is not my issue. I simply want more power.
The RAM 2500 is 5" higher than the 1500. I adjusted the kingpin box height 2.5" higher . This still provided about 6" clearance between the top of tv tailgate(closed) and the bottom of trailer while hitched. However. this change still does not level the trailer while towing but I'll stay with this setup for a while and observe.
Other options I'm considering to raise the trailer:
1. change tires from 205/75r15 (stock) to 225/75r15 which would allow a 1"+ height increase
2. Use the Correct Track wheel alignment kit that would raise the height to 2"
3. And of course 'flip the axle' but only if the first two options are not enough.
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Old 02-09-2016, 08:23 PM   #40
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The hitch guy called with a price of $989 installed for a slider...
That's a lot of money and weight for equipment. As others are suggesting, it seems like a slider is not needed with your 6.5' box, especially if you use one of the hitches which can be set back a few inches from the standard position.

Just curious... what brand/style of slider is your hitch guy offering?

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Jim, I thought you were thinking of the Andersen Ultimate? Can't you just turn that around for extra length?
The frame of the Andersen Ultimate positions the ball ahead of or behind the rail centre (or the ball in the bed floor in the case of the version that is anchored that way); yes, Andersen suggests mounting it with the ball to the rear in short-bed trucks.

You may be thinking of the other Jim (Bennett), who I believe has an Andersen Ultimate waiting for his 5.0TA.

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That sounds interesting and much less expensive. I assume Bruce is on the forum?
Yes: BCnomad

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5.5' boxes seem so darn small to me, and I really don't like the look with a crew cab either.
When you're not towing, just put on a hard tonneau cover - then it looks like a reasonably proportioned sedan, and that's how most people use them anyway Could be worse - could be a Hummer H2 SUT.
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