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Old 07-09-2015, 10:03 AM   #51
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This thread may be giving the impression to some readers that there is some systematic problem with the brakes on Escape trailers. Although there may be a few people who have had problems with improperly adjusted or even malfunctioning brakes on their Escapes, I would hazard a guess that the brakes on the majority of trailers are functioning perfectly fine. Of course, in order to keep them operating properly you need to carry out periodic maintenance on your trailer brakes just as you should on your tow vehicle.
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Old 07-09-2015, 10:49 AM   #52
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This thread may be giving the impression to some readers that there is some systematic problem with the brakes on Escape trailers. Although there may be a few people who have had problems with improperly adjusted or even malfunctioning brakes on their Escapes, I would hazard a guess that the brakes on the majority of trailers are functioning perfectly fine. Of course, in order to keep them operating properly you need to carry out periodic maintenance on your trailer brakes just as you should on your tow vehicle.
I don't get that at all. What I do notice is some lack of awareness of how these brakes work and the absolute necessity of staying on top of them. That means adjusting them very soon after picking up a new trailer- and if you really want to do it right then read up about "burnishing the shoes". After that every 3,000 miles. Also, do not wait 2 years to look at your bearings if you put a lot of miles on as a rear brake seal might actually leak like ours and contaminate a brake lining with grease.

Was going to take mine in to a shop today, however after doing the bearing service AND adjusting the brakes, they don't lock up anymore. The bearing service of course had nothing to do with it, however I still have to get a new brake lining. So I admit that it was my fault for not adjusting after our last 3400 mile trip.
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Old 07-09-2015, 11:21 AM   #53
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Can you find a travel trailer manufacturer who uses this better braking system?
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Old 07-09-2015, 12:10 PM   #54
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I'm new to RVing but to my understanding most of fiberglass and sticky built trailers are using the elec brake systems . I've been boating for over 50 years of trailering boats and the only problems I had were with drum brakes with salt water immersion . I now use surge disc brakes on my tandem axcel boat trailer . The trailer is an 09 so we just redid the master cylinder and all new brake pads and calipers . When we lived out in Seattle WA . we had brakes that lasted many years without touching them in fresh water lakes . I think the best system would be elec /Hydraulic disc brakes . Disc brakes do not need adjusting .You still need to do bearings every two years or so .
This basically was to let people know that there are other braking systems out there . I in no way am saying the brakes on ETI trailers are bad or insufficient i'm just pointing out how other trailers work . I'm glad everything worked out for the escape owner whose brakes locked up . Jim (jennykatz is my daughter )

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This thread may be giving the impression to some readers that there is some systematic problem with the brakes on Escape trailers. Although there may be a few people who have had problems with improperly adjusted or even malfunctioning brakes on their Escapes, I would hazard a guess that the brakes on the majority of trailers are functioning perfectly fine. Of course, in order to keep them operating properly you need to carry out periodic maintenance on your trailer brakes just as you should on your tow vehicle.
I agree, except that I think poorly working brakes are probably pretty common. Motor vehicle brakes don't require much maintenance, and if they don't work right the driver can feel the difference; neither is particularly true of trailer brakes (Escape or otherwise).
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I agree, except that I think poorly working brakes are probably pretty common. Motor vehicle brakes don't require much maintenance, and if they don't work right the driver can feel the difference; neither is particularly true of trailer brakes (Escape or otherwise).
Since I live on a dead-end gravel road I get to check trailer brakes for equal lockup pretty easy!
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Fascinating... because it was done so long ago, and because of the vacuum connection (don't try this now). An electric actuator probably wasn't practical at the time.

Although these are not detailed, I'm sure these are all electric-over-hydraulic systems using a controller in the tug. Compared to the cost of these RVs, the brake system cost isn't bad.
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I talked again to my friend last night at dinner He affirmed that his Titan E/H brakes did not have a controller in the Lincoln Navigator ?He might have a different model then the EHB . I think the controller is in the Titan E/H brakes instead of the truck or car ?
That would require the actuator (reportedly an EHB in this case) to measure deceleration and determine the appropriate amount of trailer braking. That can be done, and it is done by trailer-mounted controllers such as the Prodigy RF; however, Titan does not mention this for the EHB and instead says that it works with the controller in the tow vehicle. Trailer-mounted controllers typically use a radio-linked control and display unit located so that it is accessible to the driver.

Here's the answer:
The BrakeRite II catalog description says:
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The BrakeRite II is used with either the BrakeRite II SD or BrakeRite II RF kits to match your specific trailering application.
Sure enough, the catalog description for the BrakeRite II - RF says:
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The BrakeRite II - RF applies the outstanding BrakeRite EHB performance with radio frequency control to provide quality braking for trailers to be towed by vehicles without the standard, hard wired in-cab brake controllers.

This system incorporates the latest in deceleration sensing by utilizing an accelerometer chip in the hybrid circuitry to apply the trailer brakes in proportion to the tow vehicle braking. The in-cab controller manual override is transmitted by RF (radio frequency) to the control module and is powered by the in-cab power outlet (cigarette lighter).
This model is a combination of
  • an electrohydraulic actuator (the EHB) and
  • a proportional brake controller with radio-linked control and display module, like the Tekonsha Prodigy RF
So I assume that Jim (not Jenny) is right and it is not a BrakeRite EHB but instead a BrakeRite II RF, ... so it does have a controller - it's just mounted on the trailer (plus a small unit carried in the cab, but not wired in or permanently mounted).

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The elec over Hydraulic brakes are used on boat trailers to control braking instead of the surge braking .
The electric actuator takes the place of the surge coupler as the source of hydraulic pressure. In the surge case, the amount of force by the ball pushing back on the coupler determines the amount of braking effort; in the electric-over-hydraulic case, this information comes from the controller (as the voltage supplied to the trailer by the controller), whether that controller is mounted on the dash or (rarely) on the trailer.

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I believe they are mandatory for boats over 3000lb in Canada .
We belong to another forum for boats C-Brats.com and a lot of the owners have these elec./over hydraulic brakes for the 25and 26 ft c-dory boats .
In most (perhaps all) areas there are no separate rules for boat trailers versus other trailers.
Rules for brake requirements vary by province in Canada, just as they vary by state in the U.S.; yes, brakes are typically required above some defined trailer weight, and 25-foot boats are heavy enough to require brakes in most places.
Whether the fiberglass on top is a boat hull or a box to camp in, two-ton trailers have the same braking requirements on the road, and so the same braking systems work for both.

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I wasn't trying to stir up problems just trying to figure out if other brakes would work on our fiberglass trailers .
I don't see any problem at all
Electric-over-hydraulic would certainly work for an Escape. The main reason to use this technology would likely be that it allows the use of disk brakes, while maintaining the control features of an electric system (instead of a surge setup). A trailer-mounted controller works for an Escape, too - the BrakeRite II RF would suit a Titan electric-over-hydraulic system, while a Prodigy RF suits a conventional electric drum brake system. I think at least one Escape owner uses a Prodigy RF.

Would an electric-over-hydraulic disk system avoid the lockup problems some people have seen? Perhaps yes, but maybe not (depending on the cause), and it is definitely not a solution to choose lightly, due to the cost and complexity.
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