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Old 11-28-2010, 08:49 PM   #31
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On the other side of the coin, A legion of airstream owners might consider rivet construction method superior.
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Old 11-28-2010, 11:10 PM   #32
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Ask Jeff how many times he took his Airstream Bambi in for rivet replacement ( under warranty ). Still, if they can make aircraft that way, you'd think they'd have it nailed by now.

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Old 11-29-2010, 01:56 AM   #33
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Hi: gocamp... While your at it ask how much damage was caused by one tire blowout!!! I'm not knocking aluminium or rivets but...when you can see outside thru the rivet because the mandrels have fallen out of their center... thats a problem too!!! Alf
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Old 11-29-2010, 07:42 PM   #34
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Ask Jeff how many times he took his Airstream Bambi in for rivet replacement ( under warranty ). Still, if they can make aircraft that way, you'd think they'd have it nailed by now.

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Yep.. we either lost a couple of rivets on our travels. They were on the inside skin..the outer are more heavy duty and seem to really hold up. The Airstream warranty is excellent 2 years bumper to bumper.

My guess was they either flawed when they were put in or the jostling/expanding/contracting of the AS popped them out or sheared them off. They are pretty easy to fix though, of course you need a rivet gun.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:18 PM   #35
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Thanks for the warnings about the rivets! This kind of info saves us a lot of research...
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As a former Casita owner (can't speak for Scamps, of course), I'm happy to have an Escape with many fewer rivets (its still got 'em...just not dotted all over the surface) and would never go back. In Casita's defense however, I never has a single leak from a rivet after many years of enjoyable camping. I had a couple of rivets pop from torsional stresses, but they were easily replaced, and a daub of silicon sealant in the original hole and a liberal coating on the rivet resulted in a leak-free job.

My recommendation is 100% in favor of the Escape, but the Casita served as a good second-best, with scores of happy owners.

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Old 11-29-2010, 10:27 PM   #36
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I'm definitely in the Escape wannabe camp, but my 1988 Scamp has never had a leak from a rivet. It's a maintenance issue just like windows, vents and weep holes in the window frames. Keeping the rivet caps tight is the solution.

But isn't it nice y'all Escape owners have one less thing to worry about
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Hi: All... I can add that our '77 Boler leaked so bad I had to remove water several times from behind the Ensolite with a syringe. I believe it came in thru the awning rail rivets and down the wall. The bulge was so big as to be visible and held about 1/2 cup of water.
Escape uses the same style awning rail system but I'm banking on it not leaking for at least 30 yrs. By then I'll be glad to look at it... or anything else for that matter!!! Alf
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