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Old 07-31-2015, 11:21 PM   #31
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The vinyl-coated walls of the shell aren't usually reinforced. (I don't know if it's possible, but I haven't yet seen it done).
They are reinforced for specific features of the trailer, but not to serve as mounting surfaces for miscellaneous stuff. The reinforcement for paneled interior walls is plywood under the visible panel; that wouldn't work on the shell with all of those curves.
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Old 08-01-2015, 12:01 AM   #32
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They are reinforced for specific features of the trailer, but not to serve as mounting surfaces for miscellaneous stuff. The reinforcement for paneled interior walls is plywood under the visible panel; that wouldn't work on the shell with all of those curves.
Yes, I had an extra drop-down table mounted on the wall next to my door and the support for that was glassed in during the initial process.
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Old 08-13-2015, 02:28 PM   #33
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Anyone sticking up their headliner successfully? Anyone check with ETI for solutions?

I noticed that the front area has some large bubbles.. Pushing them up they stick for a few minutes in some places and then fall back down. Some spots have no sticky feeling.

I'm going to add a light for an anchor point for sure.
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Old 08-13-2015, 03:12 PM   #34
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Anyone sticking up their headliner successfully? Anyone check with ETI for solutions?

I noticed that the front area has some large bubbles.. Pushing them up they stick for a few minutes in some places and then fall back down. Some spots have no sticky feeling.

I'm going to add a light for an anchor point for sure.
On a 2014 19' , wouldn't this headliner sagging problem be covered under the "full two year warranty" ?
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Old 08-13-2015, 04:18 PM   #35
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This seperation is VERY common with all molded towables, of any age. Just read the archives on FiberglassRV. OH my stars.

There's lots of folks asking about attaching "stuff" to the walls and then I READ where folks need to reattach the headliner.

THIS is NOT your sticks and bricks home. IMHO do NOT try to attach anything to the vinyl wall covering. Some time down the line, you'll be asking "how do I reattach the vinyl."

If and when the time comes for Ten Forward, I'll use whatever an automotive mechanic suggests for reattaching a headliner or vinyl roof... those folks are used to dealing with heat... or temperature swings.
Good advice, Donna!
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Old 08-13-2015, 05:45 PM   #36
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On a 2014 19' , wouldn't this headliner sagging problem be covered under the "full two year warranty" ?
One would think so. I'm wondering how many others are having the same problem.

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Old 08-13-2015, 11:46 PM   #37
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While it's true that one should not attach stuff to the liner, the member with the problem did not attach anything to the headliner, so that's not the problem, despite suggestions otherwise. I can't remember anyone in this forum ever saying that they had attached anything to the liner in an Escape (unlike older eggs with much harder Ensolite lining discussed in FiberglassRV); lots of stuff on Escape paneling, but not on the liner.

Since this is a manufacturing issue, rather than a component defect, I agree that seems like an Escape warranty issue within the warranty period.
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One would think so. I'm wondering how many others are having the same problem.

Ron
No problems here but the OP lives in Texas so I'm thinking this is a climate/temperature issue. I agree that it should be covered under warranty but maybe the fix is an easy one.
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Old 08-14-2015, 02:19 PM   #39
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On a 2014 19' , wouldn't this headliner sagging problem be covered under the "full two year warranty" ?
Good question, I would guess it should be as we have only had it 1 year and it happened on our first trip south. But I'd rather just do it myself and insure it's done correctly, this will be a chronic problem that only gets worse in time.

It seems to me that the only way to fix it would be to pull down the entire ceiling and use the proper heat resistant adhesive. The correct adhesive for the application is available, and the problem is commonly known. There can be failure of the foam and/or adhesive, in this case I can feel the foam is attached to the Reflectix and it's the Reflectix that has come loose from the ceiling.

I'm hoping someone posts a clever solution that works! My plan is to install Scamp like 'rat fur' to decrease the condensation problems from the vinyl and easy cold transfer to that surface. I had a Scamp for years and called them to talk over the excessive condensation in our new trailer. They explained that's why they use the 'rat fur' because the length and number of fibers don't present a flat cold surface for the condensation.

I was going to add the rat fur to the existing vinyl and glad I'm aware of this problem prior to attaching more weight to the hanging surface. Maybe I'll just have to replace the interior .... or hopefully someone will come up with a way to 'tack' it back to the fiberglass. Those solar panel bolts could be 'double duty' holding the things on top of the fiberglass down .. and things on the inside up
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Old 08-15-2015, 02:05 AM   #40
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My plan is to install Scamp like 'rat fur' to decrease the condensation problems from the vinyl and easy cold transfer to that surface. I had a Scamp for years and called them to talk over the excessive condensation in our new trailer. They explained that's why they use the 'rat fur' because the length and number of fibers don't present a flat cold surface for the condensation.
The area of fibers probably makes the water on it less apparent; I don't see how it would reduce the amount of water condensed, because that depends on the water content in the air and the temperature of the surface.

The Scamp people know what they're doing, but I'm not convinced that they always understand why they're doing it. Who knows if anyone there really remembers why they choose this fabric four decades ago?

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I was going to add the rat fur to the existing vinyl and glad I'm aware of this problem prior to attaching more weight to the hanging surface.
If you want to test whether or not a different fabric would help condensation, before facing the issue of holding it up, you could place just a test patch on an area that won't be a support issue but is still in comparable conditions. Is there an area of outside wall in a cabinet that doesn't have Escape's lining and could be left open for a test (you need inside air to circulate over it)? If you just add rat fur over the Escape lining that area will get less condensation, just because it is a bit better insulated by the extra layer and thus not as cold.
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