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Old 04-18-2016, 12:37 AM   #21
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for taking the time and effort to measure this for me(us). It is appreciated, really.

And, Jim thanks for the insight/warning in the stabilizers. Hadn't thought about that.

I think I'm going to approximate 16' from the hitch to the midpoint between the tires, and have a run at it with my 21'4" board. I got a D in geometry, so would trust my hypotenuse.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:48 PM   #22
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This morning I drove our Escape 21 to ETI for them to install the Dexter lift kit, and also replace a sometimes leaky black tank dump valve.

Reace mentioned he received a call from another Escaper asking about the towing stability with the lift kit and asked if I would post about our towing experience pre and post lift kit.

When I picked up the trailer at the end of the day Dennis said the job took a little longer than anticipated, because they had to remove and later replace some foam to get at a few bolts.

As I towed it home to Surrey, I am pleased to report that I couldn’t tell the difference in towing characteristics between the trip there and the trip back. It towed very well before and after the lift kit installation. For the record, the roadway of the freeway (divided highway) is similar to and from Chilliwack, with both smooth and somewhat wavy/bumpy areas. The wind conditions were similar morning and afternoon.

On arriving home I took a picture of the trailer and made a few clearance measurements before moving it to the gravel driveway beside our house. I realized that the clearances I reported earlier and taken while parked on the gravel driveway were a bit off. The street measurements following the lift kit installation are:

Front jacks: 13”
Hitch: 11.5”
Low points in foam insulation: 13” except one point that was 12”

-the clearance measurements pre lift kit should have been 2 5/8 inches less that these. I think that the measurements on our gravel driveway were influenced by a peak in the driveway, where the hitch was on one side of the peak and the trailer wheels on the other side. My apologies for missing this.

-If you don’t have the spray on foam insulation, you have 1 – 2 more inches of clearance in many places.

I will need to use a couple of leveling squares under the hitch foot to raise the trailer hitch off the ball in future, and probably one or two under the jacks, depending on the slope. On the plus side, the step isn’t a problem. Pre the lift kit the step was actually on the low side for us.

I am glad we now have the added clearance. It now matches the clearance in our previous stick built trailer. It will give me peace of mind as we negotiate the rougher logging and forest service roads to some of our favorite lakes.

Bob K
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:16 AM   #23
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Nice write up Bob.
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:37 AM   #24
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Good work.
Now how about revealing those fishing holes?
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Old 04-19-2016, 01:16 AM   #25
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Alas, I learned to keep the best destinations secret. Some are already so crowded we are never sure we can get a campsite. Merritt, Sun Peaks and 100 Mile House are the general locales.
I am furiously tying flies that worked last year, mostly Chironomid and microleech patterns, plus staples like Mayfly, Caddis, dragon and damsel fly nymphs.

May can't come soon enough! Could be that one of these days our Escapes will be parked on the same lake.

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Old 04-19-2016, 10:10 PM   #26
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Bobbito,
Thanks for the post with your impressions on the towing of the lifted 21. I am the guy who called and talked to Reese about the lift while you were there having yours done. He told me he was going to ask you to post your experiences with the lifted 21 so we could all learn something. I got the impression that there are not many lifted 21's out there yet.

Our finished 21 is sitting on the Escape lot now I am going to have the lift added to ours before we get up there to pick it up, based on your observations. I really would like to have that extra ground clearance for forest service roads and off grid camping. Heck, I kind of need it on my driveway which can get pretty bad after a big rain.
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On arriving home I took a picture of the trailer and made a few clearance measurements before moving it to the gravel driveway beside our house. I realized that the clearances I reported earlier and taken while parked on the gravel driveway were a bit off. The street measurements following the lift kit installation are:

Front jacks: 13”
Hitch: 11.5”
Low points in foam insulation: 13” except one point that was 12”

-the clearance measurements pre lift kit should have been 2 5/8 inches less that these. I think that the measurements on our gravel driveway were influenced by a peak in the driveway, where the hitch was on one side of the peak and the trailer wheels on the other side. My apologies for missing this.

-If you don’t have the spray on foam insulation, you have 1 – 2 more inches of clearance in many places.

I will need to use a couple of leveling squares under the hitch foot to raise the trailer hitch off the ball in future, and probably one or two under the jacks, depending on the slope. On the plus side, the step isn’t a problem. Pre the lift kit the step was actually on the low side for us.

I am glad we now have the added clearance. It now matches the clearance in our previous stick built trailer. It will give me peace of mind as we negotiate the rougher logging and forest service roads to some of our favorite lakes.

Bob K
What is your hitch ball height on the escape 21 after lift kit install?
Eti said escape 19 was 21.5 inches with lift kit.
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Old 04-20-2016, 11:00 AM   #28
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With the trailer unhitched, I couldn't do the actual measurement. However, I measured the distance from the low point of the Anderson hitch (11.5") to the top of the ball receiver and it was about 9.5 inches. So, based on that the top of the ball would be just under 21 inches.

I am glad I had the kit installed. To my mind, the added 2 5/8 inches clearance is significant. Where the foam covered under trailer parts used to protrude below the level of the axle, now most of them are at or above the axle level.

For people not venturing onto rough 4 x 4 roads, I don't think the conversion makes sense, but for those that do I think this is the way to go. Prior to this lift kit I'm pretty sure I would have bottomed out on some of the roads we used to take our Nash trailer to. Now we have the same clearance on our Escape!!!

I'm also pleased with the look of the trailer. I worried it might seem too high or that the step might be too big for my wife. I WILL need to use a few more of the stacking levelling blocks on the stabilizers and front jack, but it is certainly worth the minor inconvenience to me.

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thanks for the info Bob...I am considering getting the lift kit also for an Escape 19, especially since it is less expensive to install at build time and apparently can be removed later if need be.
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Old 04-20-2016, 07:49 PM   #30
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Has anyone on here actually scraped an unlifted Escape? It's interesting to me that the Un-lifted ground clearance is close to 10". That is almost exactly what a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon has stock. So in 99% of cases you will hang up on something with the tow vehicle before the trailer hits anything even with no lift. I haven't seen pics, but I assume this is a body lift only so the axle is still the lowest point in either configuration?

The above only applies to traversing obstacles (rocks, stumps, etc) on flat ground. The breakover angle is always the biggest problem with trailers because of the long lever in front of and behind the axle. A 2.5" lift will help that somewhat, but it's not the same as lifting a vehicle that has 4 wheels on the corners with much less extension ahead of the front axle and behind the rear. You only have to lift the tongue about 3-4" to remove that 2.5" extra in the back using ballpark geometry. I guess that's pretty significant in the real world.

I only bring this up because I'm struggling with the same issue for my build. My Touareg has oversize BFG A/T tires with about 9" of ground clearance, which seems a good match to the Escape trailers (assuming the 19' has the same clearance). My old 22' trailer had less ground clearance with those metal things on the back that prevent the back of the trailer from dragging on the ground. When I sold it they were still unscratched and pristine despite having gone off-road a bit in the desert.
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