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Old 05-27-2015, 09:50 AM   #1
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Maneuverability question

Next year I look forward to replacing my 17' Casita with the Escape 19. I store the TT under our carport - which is off a paved alley. When I back in the trailer, I unhook and manually manipulate the trailer to its designated resting spot. I have a flat, concrete pad, and "wrestling" the Casita is not a problem. The question I have is - can I expect the same with the 19' Escape? Are they relatively easy to "move around?" I appreciate your experienced response.
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Old 05-27-2015, 09:54 AM   #2
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The 17' Casita is single axle right? the dual axle 19 will not turn on a dime like the single
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We also moved up from a 17 Casita and the short answer is no. Although the weight is about the same the dual axle makes it a lot harder to push around by hand. You can move it a little side to side with a wheel on concert but your probably not going to push the trailer around. You will need to become a better backeruper. :-)
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moving a 19 by hand

I second that it is very difficult. I could push the 17 casita but not the 19.
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Old 05-27-2015, 10:33 AM   #5
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On paved or hard packed surfaces, the 19 is not too hard to move. Real easy with two.
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Old 05-27-2015, 11:47 AM   #6
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I will be going from a single axle to a dual axle - a new experience for me. I consider myself an "okay" backer upper but improvements can always be made. While I could get it "just right" while attached to the tv, it takes so much longer ... and I'm usually anxious to get the parking job completed. Perhaps I need to encourage my 70+ year old 98 lb spouse to increase the number of workout days at the Y.
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Been there, done that. Can't move it. Maybe two people.
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You will love the feel of the 19' behind you while towing compared to the Casita. Feels more stable and I also like backing it better then the Casita even though its bigger it does not do things quite as fast and seems easier.
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You could look into a trailer dolly, powered or not, store bought or home built.
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If it is a question of pushing my 19' around by hand or with the tow vehicle, I would choose to save my back and use the tow vehicle. The 19' is just too big and heavy to manhandle when not absolutely necessary to do so.
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Old 05-27-2015, 12:16 PM   #11
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ETI uses a forklift, which might translate to a garden tractor.

Or front hitch receiver on truck for easy steering.
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I'd say a power dolly would be the way to go; save the back, save the frustration of getting it where you want it.
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Old 05-27-2015, 01:31 PM   #13
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We have a dual axle trailer (cargo) at home, rated for 2000KG.

Ik just crank up the nosewheel till the frontwheels come of the ground. In a fact, the trailer is leaning/tilting over on the back axle.

That way, moving around is fairly easy and it will turn on a di.. well maybe not on a dime but on a dollarcoin.
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I would be afraid the 19 would be light on the nose if you jacked it up that high and one wrong bump send it on its bumper. At least that's what would happen to me.
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Old 05-27-2015, 02:51 PM   #15
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No, just the opposite. If you lift the nose enough to pick up the front wheels, then all the weight of the trailer is going to be on the rear wheels. Since the center of mass hasn't changed actual position, it is relatively (to the wheel base) further forward. Hence more weight on the hitch wheel.

I'd be concerned that the hitch wheel wouldn't be able to take the abuse if you hit a small bump with all that weight on it.
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ETI uses a forklift, which might translate to a garden tractor.

Or front hitch receiver on truck for easy steering.
Dunno about a garden tractor but it works good with a tractor that has a 3 point hitch; I put a ball on drawbar to haul around a 21.
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Old 05-27-2015, 03:28 PM   #17
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I saw a tandom axle Gater a couple of years ago in a campground they were using to move trailers in and out of storage. It had a 5th wheel hitch mounted on the bed and a bumper hitch and they were moving some pretty big rigs.
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Old 05-27-2015, 09:25 PM   #18
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On paved or hard packed surfaces, the 19 is not too hard to move. Real easy with two.
If the wheels are aligned, it should be reasonable to move... in a straight line. The problem for most people is turning, since the tires must scrub to do that.

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We have a dual axle trailer (cargo) at home, rated for 2000KG.

Ik just crank up the nosewheel till the frontwheels come of the ground. In a fact, the trailer is leaning/tilting over on the back axle.
That works, and if you look closely at photos from the Escape factory, you'll see that they leave the wheels off of the leading (forward) axle so the trailer is riding on only the trailing (rearward) axle, presumably for maneuverability.

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I would be afraid the 19 would be light on the nose if you jacked it up that high and one wrong bump send it on its bumper.
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No, just the opposite. If you lift the nose enough to pick up the front wheels, then all the weight of the trailer is going to be on the rear wheels. Since the center of mass hasn't changed actual position, it is relatively (to the wheel base) further forward. Hence more weight on the hitch wheel.

I'd be concerned that the hitch wheel wouldn't be able to take the abuse if you hit a small bump with all that weight on it.
I agree that tongue weight on a tandem goes up as you lift the tongue; lifting the leading tires right off the ground is very stable... although it puts too much load on the rear axle for actually towing.

Europeans seem to move the trailers on the front jack with a wheel much more than North Americans; I assume Seef's tongue jack and wheel are suited to this.

A related approach is to crank the tongue way down. If you can get the front low enough, there will be very little load on the trailing axle and tongue weight is very low. I have rented tandem cargo trailers that teeter nearly on the front axle with the tongue just off the ground... and no tongue jack at all (zero tongue weight). With the lightly loaded rear tires it's a bit easier to turn it, and there's no issue with excessive load on the tongue jack wheel.
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An Escape 19' usually has too much tongue weight for a lawn tractor (like mine), but a good-sized garden tractor should have no problem, and many people use this method.

A Gator is a John Deere utility vehicle. The tandem-rear-axle models are the traditional "quad" style, but the bigger models (and the military tandem) are side-by-sides. These vehicles are small compared to most cars, but they are made to work and I'm not surprised that they can handle many trailers well at low speed. If you have one of these - or even heavy-duty original quad - I think it makes sense to consider using it.

One of the slickest rigs I've seen working an RV lot is a telescopic material handler... but no one would buy one of those to move their trailer at home!
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Old 05-30-2015, 01:01 PM   #20
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I'm curious if anyone out there with the 19' Escape uses a trailer dolly? If so, any recommendations on a particular one you like?
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