Dear Lord, another towing thread.... - Escape Trailer Owners Community

Go Back   Escape Trailer Owners Community > Escape Tech > Towing and Hitching
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 07-18-2015, 05:47 PM   #1
Site Team
 
rbryan4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2018 F150 2.7L Ecoboost
Posts: 9,514
Dear Lord, another towing thread....

Over on FGRV there is another thread (there seem to be at least two or 3 a week) along the lines of 'can I tow a Scamp/Casita/etc with my sportscar?' And, as always, it devolves into nothing but an argument about what the lawyers say, what the manufacturers say, what the laws are in certain countries, why so and so is right and everyone else is wrong, how so and so once towed with a Yugo and never had a problem, etc, etc...

Thank God there is at least one Fiberglass Forum that doesn't deal in such NONSENSE.

Ok, rant off.
__________________

__________________
"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy an RV. And that is pretty close."
rbryan4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 06:04 PM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Western, Colorado
Trailer: 17b
Posts: 145
I think it just shows that people like to argue.

You may disagree, but I know I'm right.
__________________

Escape While You Can is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 06:08 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B - "Toad". '08 Toyota RAV4 V6
Posts: 14,227
What I can't figure out is the motive for one small group to try to convince people to tow with less than adequate vehicles.
I quit responding myself.
__________________
2009 Escape 17B "Toad"
2008 Toyota RAV4 V6 Sport
North Vancouver, British Columbia

What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 06:33 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Western, Colorado
Trailer: 17b
Posts: 145
The dangers of doing something wrong while towing:

Car hits detached trailer, spurs I-80 closure | KSL.com

SALT LAKE CITY — A car hit a trailer on the freeway Friday afternoon after the trailer became detached from the pickup truck that was hauling it, police said.

A Taylorsville family was driving the pickup truck eastbound on I-80 near State Street just before noon when the trailer somehow became detached from the hitch, but stayed connected to the pickup by the safety chain, Utah Highway Patrol reported.

The driver, 28-year-old Amber Marchant, pulled to the right, but due to the narrow shoulder on the road, was still mostly in the travel lane.

Marchant and her husband, Brandon, 41, got out of the car to check out the trailer.

About an hour later, Salt Lake resident John Galanis, 54, was travelling eastbound from the second lane to the right when traffic slowed because of the pickup truck and trailer blocking the road.

UHP said Galanis appeared to be driving too fast and too close to the car in front of him. Galanis then hit the car in front of him, and pushed it into the second lane from the left.

Galanis' car then went into the right lane and underneath the trailer, which pushed the trailer into the Marchant's, who were then pushed into the concrete barrier on the bridge structure.

Amber Marchant and Galanis were transported to Intermountain Medical Care in poor condition after Marchant sustained chest and head injuries and Galanis sustained head and arm injuries. Brandon Marchant was not taken to the hospital and their 7-year-old and 1-year-old children were uninjured.
Escape While You Can is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 07:05 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Mary F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Travis County, Texas
Trailer: 2015 Esc 21. Formerly, Casita LD (16 & 17)
Posts: 739
Quote:
Originally Posted by gbaglo View Post
What I can't figure out is the motive for one small group to try to convince people to tow with less than adequate vehicles.
I quit responding myself.
Thank you.
__________________
Mary F Onward, through the fog!
Mary F is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 07:47 PM   #6
Site Team
 
cpaharley2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia
Trailer: Escape#4, 2019 Escape21 DejaView pulled by 2014 Ram Hemi/8sp
Posts: 20,719
Over here we are more concerned with food, as in poutine.....
__________________
Jim
"Never in doubt,..... often wrong!"
cpaharley2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 08:00 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
float5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Denison, Texas
Trailer: 2015 21'; 2011 19' sold; 4Runner; ph ninezero3 327-27ninefour
Posts: 5,156
I don't know why they don't just put up a sticky that says to start by getting your vehicle and model GVWR and GCWR, and max trailer capacity, and towing capacity and see if the numbers work. When you get that straight, come back with questions.
__________________
Cathy. Floating Cloud
"Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air.... "
Emerson
float5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 08:04 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Mike Lewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Santa Rosa County, Florida
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21
Posts: 2,283
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008 View Post
Over here we are more concerned with food, as in poutine.....
On my recent overnight trip to beautiful Victoria I stopped at a Dairy Queen. When I ordered a sandwich I had a choice of side order: fries or... you know. I got the fries.
__________________
Mike Lewis
Photos and travelogues here: mikelewisimages.com
Mike Lewis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 08:11 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Dave Walter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 2013 19' & 2013 15B
Posts: 2,330
Quote:
Originally Posted by Escape While You Can View Post
The dangers of doing something wrong while towing:

Car hits detached trailer, spurs I-80 closure | KSL.com

SALT LAKE CITY — A car hit a trailer on the freeway Friday afternoon after the trailer became detached from the pickup truck that was hauling it, police said.

A Taylorsville family was driving the pickup truck eastbound on I-80 near State Street just before noon when the trailer somehow became detached from the hitch, but stayed connected to the pickup by the safety chain, Utah Highway Patrol reported.

The driver, 28-year-old Amber Marchant, pulled to the right, but due to the narrow shoulder on the road, was still mostly in the travel lane.

Marchant and her husband, Brandon, 41, got out of the car to check out the trailer.

About an hour later, Salt Lake resident John Galanis, 54, was travelling eastbound from the second lane to the right when traffic slowed because of the pickup truck and trailer blocking the road.

UHP said Galanis appeared to be driving too fast and too close to the car in front of him. Galanis then hit the car in front of him, and pushed it into the second lane from the left.

Galanis' car then went into the right lane and underneath the trailer, which pushed the trailer into the Marchant's, who were then pushed into the concrete barrier on the bridge structure.

Amber Marchant and Galanis were transported to Intermountain Medical Care in poor condition after Marchant sustained chest and head injuries and Galanis sustained head and arm injuries. Brandon Marchant was not taken to the hospital and their 7-year-old and 1-year-old children were uninjured.
This accident does not appear to be related to towing beyond the vehicles limits. I just don't see its relevance to this threads topic.
__________________
2013 19' \ 2013 15B, 2011 Toyota FJ Cruiser

"It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it." - 1907, Maurice Switzer
Dave Walter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 08:14 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
Posts: 5,197
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008 View Post
Over here we are more concerned with food, as in poutine.....
Naughty Jim, very naughty. There are some folks on the forum who had hoped the P word had faded away for good. Not likely

Ron
Ron in BC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 08:27 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
PGDriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Southern Alberta, Alberta
Trailer: 2015 Escape 5.0TA
Posts: 1,700
I'm with Jim, I would rather see a dozen more poutine threads then another "can I tow with" thread. Sorry rant over. Time for a liquid refreshment and go install the thermo switch bypass switch like Jim did. By the way nice job Jim.

Cheers
Doug
__________________
Cheers
Doug
PGDriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 08:30 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Vancouver Island, British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 21. Tow vehicle: 2012 Toyota Tundra Crewmax Platunum.
Posts: 368
I agree that comparing notes on the delights of poutine is more interesting, but if those "wrong tow vehicle" discussions can dissuade anyone from towing with an unsafe vehicle, they're a good thing. Fortunately, participation in them is voluntary.
__________________
Brent and Cheryl.
Catchlight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 09:06 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 12,272
I note that there are two extreme camps in these disussions:
  • "anything can tow anything with the right setup", and
  • "a one-ton pickup is needed to safely tow anything... and a much bigger tug is needed here than in Europe"
Both routinely make statements which are not founded in reality. Fortunately, there is a zone of intelligent evaluation in between.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Catchlight View Post
Fortunately, participation in them is voluntary.
Absolutely. The biggest problem is deciding when it is not worth calling out misinformation.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 09:06 PM   #14
Site Team
 
padlin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Southwick, Massachusetts
Trailer: 5.0 TA #6, 2012 F150 EB
Posts: 6,060
It's certainly not just fiberglass trailers, it's a never ending subject on the Hybrid trailer forums too. The eternal quest for 30+ mpg towing and non towing, without sacrificing the power to climb those 10k peaks.
__________________
Happy Motoring
Bob
padlin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 09:25 PM   #15
Site Team
 
rbryan4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Canyon Lake, Texas
Trailer: 2015 19 "Past Tents", 2018 F150 2.7L Ecoboost
Posts: 9,514
I started following Glenn's lead a short time ago. Don't reply. If someone isn't willing to look at the numbers, and would rather go with anecdotes, I have nothing to contribute.
__________________
"You can't buy happiness, but you can buy an RV. And that is pretty close."
rbryan4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 09:36 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Western, Colorado
Trailer: 17b
Posts: 145
Quote:
Originally Posted by ice-breaker View Post
This accident does not appear to be related to towing beyond the vehicles limits. I just don't see its relevance to this threads topic.
Well, I didn't know this thread was only about towing limits, I thought it was about towing in general and I thought it was an interesting illustration of what can happen if you're not careful. I would delete it if possible. Sorry.
Escape While You Can is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 09:36 PM   #17
Site Team
 
cpaharley2008's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Chilliwack, British Columbia
Trailer: Escape#4, 2019 Escape21 DejaView pulled by 2014 Ram Hemi/8sp
Posts: 20,719
speaking of which, why not put this one to rest, eh?
__________________
Jim
"Never in doubt,..... often wrong!"
cpaharley2008 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 09:41 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
Trailer: 1979 Boler B1700
Posts: 12,272
It's probably a big topic for the huge luxury fifth-wheels and toyhaulers as well: some saying a 3/4-ton pickup can handle anything if properly equipped, while others insist that anything short of a Freightliner is unsafe.
Brian B-P is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2015, 09:42 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
gbaglo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia
Trailer: 2009 Escape 17B - "Toad". '08 Toyota RAV4 V6
Posts: 14,227
Poutine.
__________________
2009 Escape 17B "Toad"
2008 Toyota RAV4 V6 Sport
North Vancouver, British Columbia

What happens to the hole when the cheese is gone?
- Bertolt Brecht
gbaglo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2015, 07:53 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
fudge_brownie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Janesville, WI, Wisconsin
Trailer: Escape 19 (sold) Escape 21 2014
Posts: 1,496
Quote:
Originally Posted by Floating Cloud View Post
I don't know why they don't just put up a sticky that says to start by getting your vehicle and model GVWR and GCWR, and max trailer capacity, and towing capacity and see if the numbers work. When you get that straight, come back with questions.
Cathy,
I think this is a great idea. Include some links to a beginners guide as to what the numbers mean and perhaps a work sheet that the questioner could fill in with his/hers vehicle numbers. Make it easy to calculate, give them a list of what is needed, but let them find their own numbers.

Anytime some asks a tow rating question refer them to the sticky, complete the questionnaire and then come back with their questions.
__________________

__________________
Paul and Janet Braun
2003 Toyota 4Runner V8 now 2012 Toyota Sequoia V8
Escape 19' 2010 now 2014 Escape 21'
fudge_brownie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Escape Trailer Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2012 Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.
×