Awning & window changes

[gbaglo]

Originally Posted by Greg A

Read the “if.”

Why pose a question without any basis for it?
I sincerely doubt that Hehr makes a custom window for Escape.


Now, if ETI switches to 10-inch wheels...

[tdf-texas]

Originally Posted by Greg A

I’d mostly be concerned about the frameless windows for the owners that already have them. If Hehr made these exclusively for ETI and they are no longer going to order them for new trailers, how long can replacement windows be obtained for the existing trailers that have them? Hehr won’t continue to manufacture them unless they are standard windows that multiple vendors are ordering.

I wouldn't be too concerned about Hehr discontinuing the frameless Escape had been using. Both windows I have had to replace had Hehr part numbers that matched both new and old and came from Illinois. I'm sure that our windows are standard parts that can be ordered from Hehr.

Keep in mind - a lot of upper scale trailers use the Hehr frameless windows. I see the sliding windows mostly on the cheaper models. It's sad that Rease has had to regroup on the frameless but I'm kinda proud to have what is now a "Limited Edition" trailer. Maybe some emblems are in order?

[Iowa Dave]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

Some people live in fear of the "what if" while others embrace the challenge of any change.....

Deep thoughts. And very true. We would get a car in the service station that wasn’t running right. A lot of times the people were on vacation. My Dad would say,” If they can build them in Detroit we can take them apart and make them right in Cedar Rapids”. It gave me just a little confidencence to get through life.
Iowa Dave

[rjbny]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

Both windows I have had to replace had Hehr part numbers that matched both new and old and came from Illinois. I'm sure that our windows are standard parts that can be ordered from Hehr.

Just catching up on this new development. We have both the frameless thermal windows and the Dometic power awning.

You replaced two windows so I want to ask you how big a job that is and what it involves?

[Bear101]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

I wouldn't be too concerned about Hehr discontinuing the frameless Escape had been using. Both windows I have had to replace had Hehr part numbers that matched both new and old and came from Illinois. I'm sure that our windows are standard parts that can be ordered from Hehr.

Keep in mind - a lot of upper scale trailers use the Hehr frameless windows. I see the sliding windows mostly on the cheaper models. It's sad that Rease has had to regroup on the frameless but I'm kinda proud to have what is now a "Limited Edition" trailer. Maybe some emblems are in order?

We have a 2017 19 with the power awning and doublepane frameless windows. So far no problems though we have paid attention to others on the forum indicating how to keep rain from collecting on the awning. The look of the franeless windows is really nce and the function with the max fan provides good airflow. So lets see if we can get those classic emblems made : )

[Rossue]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

I wouldn't be too concerned about Hehr discontinuing the frameless.....

Keep in mind - a lot of upper scale trailers use the Hehr frameless windows. I see the sliding windows mostly on the cheaper models. It's sad that Rease has had to regroup on the frameless .....:

Maybe Herhr will get it together and build them to last. Oliver is not a cheaper unit and hasn't used them. Reace has to mind his bottom line and the frameless windows are obviously hurting it.

Sure seems like the writing is on the wall and for those still in build mode remember that buyers tend to defend their choices. RV's have enough regular maintenance; throwing in a known problem that could be a big headache is a nonstarter for this camper.

[tdf-texas]

Originally Posted by rjbny

Just catching up on this new development. We have both the frameless thermal windows and the Dometic power awning.

You replaced two windows so I want to ask you how big a job that is and what it involves?

Changing windows is about a 30 minute job.

You unscrew the trim inside ( the screws are all those little ones around the trim on the inside) and push the window out (wife held it for me). Put new gasket on the replacement window and insert in the window opening. Put trim back on and reattach with the screws.

I added some shims on the bottom to help hold the window in the correct position as it was hard to position it at the same time I was putting the screws back in the trim. Once the trim is attached with the trim screws, the window is locked in place.

Pics below: Pic 1 is of window I had to replace.
Pic 2 is the opening when window is out.
Pic 3 is outside pic of shims I inserted to center the window for reinsertion.
Pic 4 is inside pic of same shims. (shims help to hold the window in correct position while you are attaching inside trim. )

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

I wouldn't be too concerned about Hehr discontinuing the frameless Escape had been using. Both windows I have had to replace had Hehr part numbers that matched both new and old and came from Illinois. I'm sure that our windows are standard parts that can be ordered from Hehr.

Keep in mind - a lot of upper scale trailers use the Hehr frameless windows. I see the sliding windows mostly on the cheaper models. It's sad that Rease has had to regroup on the frameless but I'm kinda proud to have what is now a "Limited Edition" trailer. Maybe some emblems are in order?

One someone gives false information I will speak up . I am sorry but the frameless windows didn't't just become a problem . For one my brothers Winnabago Class A had to have all the frameless replaced on his new RV 4 years ago , because they were all leaking. Just looked at a Class C over 117,000 with the sliders will post a picture here soon . I don't have time to go but to say glad they are not on our trailer . Pat

[MikeS]

Originally Posted by Rossue

Maybe Herhr will get it together and build them to last. Oliver is not a cheaper unit and hasn't used them. Reace has to mind his bottom line and the frameless windows are obviously hurting it.

Sure seems like the writing is on the wall and for those still in build mode remember that buyers tend to defend their choices. RV's have enough regular maintenance; throwing in a known problem that could be a big headache is a nonstarter for this camper.

I think it would be ok without the frameless but they have to be able to supply them all as thermal. If they can work that out I could see them sticking with the framed windows. I do think we will see a new awning by the 2020s though.

[tdf-texas]

Originally Posted by Bear101

So lets see if we can get those classic emblems made : )

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[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by Patandlinda

One someone gives false information I will speak up . I am sorry but the frameless windows didn't't just become a problem . For one my brothers Winnabago Class A had to have all the frameless replaced on his new RV 4 years ago , because they were all leaking. Just looked at a Class C over 117,000 with the sliders will post a picture here soon . I don't have time to go on but to say glad they are not on our trailer . Pat

Maybe tomorrow post a picture of the 2018 Forester 24 ft ,we just looked at $117,000 . With sliding windows . Pat

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by Patandlinda

Maybe tomorrow post a picture of the 2018 Forester 24 ft ,we just looked at $117,000 . With sliding windows . Pat

More pictures on sale caught our attention

[Marry]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

I'm kinda proud to have what is now a "Limited Edition" trailer. Maybe some emblems are in order?

Glad to have the "classic" Escape. Doesn't need a sticker. Door tells it all!

[tdf-texas]

Originally Posted by Patandlinda

One someone gives false information I will speak up . I am sorry but the frameless windows didn't't just become a problem . For one my brothers Winnabago Class A had to have all the frameless replaced on his new RV 4 years ago , because they were all leaking. Just looked at a Class C over 117,000 with the sliders will post a picture here soon . I don't have time to go but to say glad they are not on our trailer . Pat

Sorry I touched a nerve.

I was just trying to make the point that Hehr is supplying frameless windows to a lot of trailer manufacturers and there is more than a good chance that the ones Escape used will be available if a replacement is needed.

If you do some googling, you will find that trailers have had trouble with windows leaking both frameless and framed - not all but some. The point has been made (very valid) that most of the posts you read are from people who had some kind of problem - the vast majority that have had no problems usually don't post.

Other than two windows that had manufacturing defects (California! ), none of my frameless leak.

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

Sorry I touched a nerve.

I was just trying to make the point that Hehr is supplying frameless windows to a lot of trailer manufacturers and there is more than a good chance that the ones Escape used will be available if a replacement is needed.

If you do some googling, you will find that trailers have had trouble with windows leaking both frameless and framed - not all but some. The point has been made (very valid) that most of the posts you read are from people who had some kind of problem - the vast majority that have had no problems usually don't post.

Other than two windows that had manufacturing defects (California! ), none of my frameless leak.

And on this forum there really isn't a lot of posters who bought Escape trailers . Must be a few thousand or more by now . Once in Oregon met a couple who had just purchased their Escape and they were upset about some things . I told him he could get help from the forum but for whatever reason he wasn't interested . Met another couple with their new 21.at a California campground just last Dec , same thing . So no everyone posts to the forum . Pat

[tdf-texas]

Originally Posted by Patandlinda

And on this forum there really isn't a lot of posters who bought Escape trailers . Must be a few thousand or more by now . Once in Oregon met a couple who had just purchased their Escape and they were upset about some things . I told him he could get help from the forum but for whatever reason he wasn't interested . Met another couple with their new 21.at a California campground just last Dec , same thing . So no everyone posts to the forum . Pat

I have a few friends that own Escapes that don't follow this forum either.

Personally, I think that following the Escape forum is helpful - both for new owners and for those who have had our trailers for a while. A lot of good ideas for upgrades and mods have been posted - yours included.
http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f8...ons-11997.html

Also, this thread is a good example. The info for the change to the awning / windows and the discussion thereof helps future owners to decide which way they want to go if they have a trailer already on order.

I guess my point is: if all you hear is the bad and very little of the good, you can get a jaded picture of the quality that an Escape has. So sometimes we need to talk about the good stuff as well as trying to solve the problems that come up. I'm proud of my trailer - I think you are of yours. They are both a little different but still good.

[KarenH]

I simply do not understand all this hoopla over these windows and awnings.


An earlier poster on this thread (Post #100) stated, "given the expressed concerns, I called Escape and spoke with Tammy about these issues. There have been some failures of both systems. She estimates failures of either system as around 1%, but their target rate is lower than that." (My emphasis in the bold.) 1%?? Wow.

[Rossue]

So 1 out of 100 trailers have an issue with the windows or awning and that is the reason for the change? Hmmm.

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by tdf-texas

I have a few friends that own Escapes that don't follow this forum either.

Personally, I think that following the Escape forum is helpful - both for new owners and for those who have had our trailers for a while. A lot of good ideas for upgrades and mods have been posted - yours included.
http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f8...ons-11997.html

Also, this thread is a good example. The info for the change to the awning / windows and the discussion thereof helps future owners to decide which way they want to go if they have a trailer already on order.

I guess my point is: if all you hear is the bad and very little of the good, you can get a jaded picture of the quality that an Escape has. So sometimes we need to talk about the good stuff as well as trying to solve the problems that come up. I'm proud of my trailer - I think you are of yours. They are both a little different but still good.

Thankyou for the kind words . I am having a difficult day today so I guess I was being a little touchy . Anyway hope your windows and awning keep working for you . Pat

[Marry]

There are quite a few people that post on the forum when in the process of shopping for a trailer, ordering an Escape, and shortly after, and then disappear. That's okay.
I am thankful for all the help we got, when we were in the same boat. Between classic and second generation.
Hopefully the people that have to make decisions now, wether to go with which awning, with which windows, can use this forum as a tool to help in their decision as well.
This forum is a wealth of information!