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07-30-2017, 08:56 AM
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Flame Genie
Saw one of these in action last night, well built, nice flame and no wood to worry about transporting insects. Should be as safe as those propane fire fits? Anyone else seen or used one?
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Flame-Gen...Steel/48979830
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07-30-2017, 09:04 AM
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What does it burn? Walmart link says wood?
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07-30-2017, 09:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thoer
What does it burn? Walmart link says wood?
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Compressed wood pellets.
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07-30-2017, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by rbryan4
Compressed wood pellets.
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Still wood and would not be allowed where there are no fire pits or where there is a fire ban.
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07-30-2017, 09:47 AM
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Quote:
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Still wood and would not be allowed where there are no side pits or where there is a fire ban.
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Yep, that's true.
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07-30-2017, 10:00 AM
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I was thinking as an alternative to the propane fire pits people use. No fire pit needed just some chairs. No residue left on ground. Supposedly no smoke, so safe near woods.
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07-30-2017, 10:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Bennett
Still wood and would not be allowed where there are no fire pits or where there is a fire ban.
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So - are industrially processed, heat-treated, compressed wooden chips sealed in a plastic bag and sold commercially actually banned simply because they are composed of wood? If so, we better leave our wooden spoon set at home from now on. And it seems that any travel trailer of wood construction should likewise be banned. Hey! if that were enforced, that would certainly open up a lot of camp sights for those of us in fiberglass!
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07-30-2017, 10:42 AM
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Misinterpretation
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Originally Posted by War Eagle
So - are industrially processed, heat-treated, compressed wooden chips sealed in a plastic bag and sold commercially actually banned simply because they are composed of wood? If so, we better leave our wooden spoon set at home from now on. And it seems that any travel trailer of wood construction should likewise be banned. Hey! if that were enforced, that would certainly open up a lot of camp sights for those of us in fiberglass!
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When it's dry and I'm going to camp for the night, I ask a ranger or the camp host or read the bulletin board as to what is acceptable. I've been in campgrounds where even camp stoves either propane or white gas, were not allowed at the current time. Use your head, and as my old hunting buddy Davey Crockett used to say, "make sure your'e right then go ahead."
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07-30-2017, 10:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by War Eagle
So - are industrially processed, heat-treated, compressed wooden chips sealed in a plastic bag and sold commercially actually banned simply because they are composed of wood? If so, we better leave our wooden spoon set at home from now on. And it seems that any travel trailer of wood construction should likewise be banned. Hey! if that were enforced, that would certainly open up a lot of camp sights for those of us in fiberglass!
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Pellet burners can be used anywhere fires are permitted. They generally can't be used where fires are banned. The fact that the pellets are 'industrially processed' and relatively smoke free doesn't enter into the thinking - they're still considered a wood fire.
And you don't set your spoon set or a wooden trailer (if you had one) on fire. It's the burning of wood that is at issue - not wood itself.
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07-30-2017, 01:21 PM
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Where allowed, it does look like a nice alternative to a propane firepit, although less convenient due to lighting and extinguishing. Bags of pellets might be awkward, but at least they can be safely carried in the interior of the trailer or tow vehicle.
Transporting wood as an issue for the spread of insects would presumably not be a concern with pellets.
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Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
Supposedly no smoke, so safe near woods.
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Burning wood as a fire risk would still be a concern with the pellet firepit, no matter how perfectly the manufacturer says it runs. A fire without visible smoke can still be spitting out embers, and this is not a contained fire (like a furnace would be). Whether it is allowed would depend on the specific rules of an area, but in conditions which would not allow wood or charcoal in a firepit, I would assume this would not be permissible, either.
As an example, the current fire ban for Jasper National Park says:
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This fire ban includes ALL open fires, EXCEPT, provided they are under direct supervision and certified by the Canadian Standards Association (CSA) or Underwriters Laboratories of Canada (ULC):
• portable propane fire pits
• propane or gas fuelled stoves and barbeques, designed for cooking or heating
• propane or gas fuelled lanterns (enclosed flame)
• patio heaters (propane, catalytic or infrared/radiant)
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07-30-2017, 01:46 PM
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My biggest question in addition to the fact that it couldn't be used during a fire ban while the propane fire pit can be used, why transport a second fuel source, wood pellets, when you are already transporting propane? And I can both light or extinguish a propane fire faster than anyone can light or extinguish a wood pellet fire. I also think propane is more readily available than wood pellets. To me, the choice between propane or pellets as an alternate to a wood campfire can be settled using the KISS principle.
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07-30-2017, 01:49 PM
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I'd agree with that Carl, since you're already toting propane. The pellet burners are simple, but it's just more stuff to haul.
One other factor - I use those pellets in my smoker to cook with, but there it's a controlled burn and the fire is fed very slowly. A 40 lb bag of pellets will last me through 3 or 4 cooking cycles, and if you are smoking a Brisket, those can take 12 to 14 hours. The same 40 lb bag of pellets, used with the flame genie, only lasts 5 hours. With our Outland Firebowl, we can have a campfire every night on an extended trip, with a single 20 lb tank of fuel.
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07-30-2017, 01:57 PM
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Actually, there are areas of BC right now where you can't use a propane BBQ either unless it is clear of the ground. I don't need to worry about a campfire because I have COPD and I am staying clear of the interior and the smoke.
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