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Old 05-25-2018, 12:58 PM   #1
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Double tow with a 5.0TA?

My wife and I recently purchased a new to us Polaris RZR and we want to take it with us when we dry camp. We have been considering selling the 5.0 and buying a toy hauler. My neighbor suggested double towing, its very common here in AZ. I talked to a local welding shop that specializes in installing hitches and they said it would be no problem installing a hitch rated at 3500 lbs. Total weight would be about 1800 lbs and tongue weight with the RZR would be a guess, 400 lbs? I do have a couple of concerns. First would be the strength of the frame, is it strong enough to take the additional weight? The second would be resale value? I would also love to see Reace rolling his eyes if he is shown this post! No decisions have been made yet, just trying to figure out what will work best for us. All constructive feedback appreciated.

Disclaimer:The photos posted below are for demonstration only, I did not pull my 5.0 in this configuration. The jack on the trailer was lowered to take all hitch weight.
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ETI has installed double recievers before, and I believe I've seen a triple. If it's ETI that put on a triple, then one would think the frame could handle 450 lbs.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:50 PM   #3
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What is your truck's specifications for weight amounts towing?
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Old 05-25-2018, 02:15 PM   #4
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What is your truck's specifications for weight amounts towing?
2013 GMC Sierra 1500 with max tow package. Very capable for a half ton, 6.2 engine, 3.73 gears, almost 1800 lbs payload and rated to tow 10,400. Im dreaming of a Ram 2500, but thats for another post!
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Old 12-17-2018, 08:56 PM   #5
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anyone do this?
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Old 12-18-2018, 09:14 AM   #6
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If it where my 50 Id worry about the frame. The other concern would be what happens to the pin weight when you hang 400 lbs off the rear of the trailer? 🤔 If you try it , keep us posted.
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Old 12-19-2018, 06:32 AM   #7
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anyone do this?
I have double towed, jetskis, atvs, and dirtbikes behind everyone of my campers over the last 15 years. I have always had a large truck, currently a 2016 Tundra crew max 4wd, prior a 2002 Ford f250 7.3 crew 4x4. If setup properly, you should not have a problem.

On my last camper which was a Casita, I was always concerned with rear loaded weight. The Casita frame was a small c-channel. I installed a OMW hitch and towed a small light Aluma 638 trailer. This trailer is only 340 lbs 63" wide and 8ft long. Just big enough for three dirt bikes or one Honda Pioneer sxs, never a problem. I used a weight distributing hitch with sway control and had mounted a Honda eu3000 generator on the tongue. I Always had the front of the Aluma trailer nose down, and kept my speeds and safety margins in check. I plan on setting up our new 21 Escape to do the same thing. This same question was just asked over on Fiberglass Rv Forum, go check it out. A lot of members here are on there also. I wish that I had a picture of my setups over the years, as they have changed with the equipment that I have towed.
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If it where my 50 Id worry about the frame. The other concern would be what happens to the pin weight when you hang 400 lbs off the rear of the trailer? �� If you try it , keep us posted.
The weight does not hang off of the rear of the RV the same as having a platform and 400lbs on the rear hitch. In the picture at the front of the post, if they change the rear trailer to a nose down position while on level ground and keep the RZR in the same place. The tongue weight of the rear trailer would be light enough to lift with one person. Most of the weight on a SXS is towards the rear of the unit, they will need to adjust the RZR fore and aft on the trailer to find the sweet spot, in regards to tongue weight.
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Total weight would be about 1800 lbs and tongue weight with the RZR would be a guess, 400 lbs?
200 pounds would be a more reasonable tongue weight for an 1800 pound (gross weight) trailer.

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If it where my 50 Id worry about the frame. The other concern would be what happens to the pin weight when you hang 400 lbs off the rear of the trailer? 🤔 If you try it , keep us posted.
Measure (or estimate) the distance from the hitch ball on the back of the 5.0TA for the midpoint of the 5.0TA's two axles. Measure (or estimate) the distance from midpoint of the 5.0TA's two axles to the hitch pin. The ratio of the lengths is the ratio of rear trailer hitch weight to reduction of pin weight. If, for instance, axles to ball is one quarter of the axles to pin distance, the pin weight will be reduced by one quarter of the hitch weight.

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Most of the weight on a SXS is towards the rear of the unit, they will need to adjust the RZR fore and aft on the trailer to find the sweet spot, in regards to tongue weight.
I agree... and that will result in a couple hundred pounds of hitch weight, so maybe 50 pounds of pin weight reduction. Vertical load on the ball has the same effect on pin weight, whether it is the weight of a trailer tongue or the weight of cargo; however, the ball would be close to the bumper, while the centre of a cargo carrier load will be further back (due to the bulk of the cargo), making the effect on stability worse. On the other hand, the tongue of a trailer is much harder to control than the same weight of a concentrated mass mounted on the hitch.

I'm not concerned about the reduction of pin weight; I'm concerned about stability, due to lateral forces at the hitch with a trailer in the middle (the Escape) which is not a semi-trailer. This is basically building a B-train rig... but with the wrong trailers.

I realize that larger fifth-wheels are often used with second trailers - I've seen quite a few here over the years with boats of ATVs on the extra trailer. But those are typically a ton or two of extra trailer behind a 6 to 8 ton fifth-wheel (not a ton of trailer behind a two-ton Escape), and the fifth-wheel usually has the proportions to have 20% to 30% pin weight (not the 16% typical of a 5.0TA). Yes, it has worked for lots of people with much less sound configurations; lots of things have been done for many times and not gone terribly wrong... yet.
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Triple towing rules vary by state so if you are on a multi-state trip you should be aware of the rules in the states you are traveling. It appears about half of US states allow it. Even when it is legal there are sometimes still restrictions to overall length and whether the trailer is behind another trailer or a 5th wheel.

https://rv-roadtrips.thefuntimesguid...triple_towing/
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