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Old 11-06-2015, 12:10 AM   #11
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I'm always mildly surprised that many folks are ok with barely adequate towing & payload capacity of their tow vehicles but will stress over the details of their Escape build sheets.

I am a proponent of the You Can Never Have Too Much Capacity In a Tow Vehicle school simply because I have seen where having what seems to be overkill turns out to be the margin of safety you need to deal with an emergency situation safely.
Having "too much" tow vehicle also allows for those times when you may have need of the additional payload for unforeseen situations.
Certainly having too much is vastly better than not enough.
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Old 11-06-2015, 12:15 AM   #12
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Find a better hitch guy Mark. Several posts here about workarounds.
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Old 11-06-2015, 12:34 AM   #13
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I'm always mildly surprised that many folks are ok with barely adequate towing & payload capacity of their tow vehicles but will stress over the details of their Escape build sheets.

I am a proponent of the You Can Never Have Too Much Capacity In a Tow Vehicle school simply because I have seen where having what seems to be overkill turns out to be the margin of safety you need to deal with an emergency situation safely.
Having "too much" tow vehicle also allows for those times when you may have need of the additional payload for unforeseen situations.
Certainly having too much is vastly better than not enough.

I could not have said it better myself. I ordered the tow vehicle to tow a 17 ft Casita but then we discovered Escape and the trailer ended up being a little heavier than the original plans. In bringing the 21 home I monitored the transmission fluid temperature and saw it rise to 210 F on 2 separate occasions. Even though this was for a very short time, the truck with a 5.3 liter engine, max towing package, and 3.73 rear end had all it wanted on an 8 % grade. With the end of the towing season, it will be getting fresh transmission oil. Loren
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Old 11-06-2015, 01:42 AM   #14
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He did not seem too concerned about weight and payload but said the Taco was a non starter for a 5th wheel hitch as the bed was made of a poly carbonate instead of steel.
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Find a better hitch guy Mark.
I agree - find someone who knows what he is doing. The bed is structurally irrelevant to a properly installed fifth-wheel hitch. That doesn't mean installation is easy in a Tacoma, but the bed material is not the issue.

As Jake explained, he should be concerned enough about weight and payload to check out the details.
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Old 11-06-2015, 01:49 AM   #15
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I'm not certain, but are any of the truck manufacturers even building trucks any smaller than the current Tacoma/Frontier? I guess what I mean I'm not sure there is a truck currently produced that cannot handle the 5.0TA unless you are carting more weight than most of us.
There hasn't been anything smaller sold in North America since Ford dropped the Ranger and GM switched to a larger Colorado/Canyon.

I think a substantial fraction of "half ton" trucks cannot handle the 5.0TA pin weight, plus hitch, plus cargo, plus passengers... because they have big cabs and piles of options cutting massively into their already low payload resulting from the soft suspensions they have because they are used as cars, not trucks. A properly equipped (for towing and hauling) pickup can have twice the payload capacity of the least appropriately equipped version of the same truck.
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:03 AM   #16
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Plus many 1/2 ton trucks are not listed by the manufacturer for 5th wheel towing. ( Ram is not rated for 5th wheel towing)
I for one choose not to run my vehicle at 100% or over its stated limits but others see this as a non issue
I think the manufacturers do not rate their smaller trucks for 5th wheel towing because when "5th wheel" is mentioned, what comes to mind for most people are the behemoth stickies typically towed by dual wheeled diesels. For such a small percentage of the 5th wheel community (Escape and Scamp, though not a true 5th wheel, does have its "pin weight" in the bed), the small FG trailers are overlooked. If they rated the small trucks for pulling 5th wheels because of a small number of FG models, it would create confusion and some idiot would probably try to pull a 35-footer with a Ranger. And the legal community would have a field day! Just my take on it. While I am not advocating exceeding weight limits, it should be noted that no manufacturer wants to be subjected to lawsuits, so all capacities and limits are rated conservatively, building in a margin of error and allowing the manufacturer to shift any blame to the consumer for not "following directions."
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Old 11-06-2015, 06:51 AM   #17
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The Taco with the composite bed cannot support or hold the 5th wheel hitch, what some have done is place steel support underneath and in the bed, with this modification you void all warranty.

I traded up to the Tundra with the smaller v8 and even then I do not have the payload to support towing the 5.0ta.

The Ford F150 is a great choice and if you are comfortable the Nissan Frontier given the Steel Bed
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Old 11-06-2015, 07:07 AM   #18
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I am a proponent of the You Can Never Have Too Much Capacity In a Tow Vehicle ....
While this is true from purely a towing perspective, it is often far from the best option for other uses. Not everyone can, or wants to, pay the costs associated with larger tow vehicles. These costs are not just those for the larger initial investment or the added cost for fuel, but also in having a vehicle that does not suit their everyday needs as well, those needs when not towing.

You have to know that there is a fairly large safety factor built into tow vehicle ratings, and as long as they are not exceeded, they will perform more than adequately.

My Pilot, with its 4,500 lb towing capacity performed great in towing our 19. Sure, my Super Duty pulled it easier, and on average did not consume much more fuel, but the Pilot is a WAY better vehicle to drive for most of the time. If I could only have one of these vehicles to tow a 19 with, the Pilot would win hands down.

My purchase of my F150 to tow the upcoming 5.0TA came about not only for towing the RV, but also due to the fact I will be using it for work, and even there I am having to buy a downsized construction dump trailer with tandem 5,500 lb axles, as the one I have is too heavy. If not for using it as a work truck too, I would MUCH rather have a smaller tow the size of a Tacoma, just so long as it met the minimal criteria.

The bigger is better North American attitude with vehicles is slowly diminishing. While I love my big ass F350 for where is size and performance shines, I am more than happy to drive something much more economical where it works better.
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