Tongue weight 2017 21' and info I learned today.

[Losangeles]

Originally Posted by thoer

From doing all my calculations on the 21's weights and the Highlander's capacities, I don't think we will ever approach the 5000# max tow weight (Toyota lists no max tongue weight for it) The number we will have be more careful with is the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating (GCVWR).

According to my calculations based on our specific Highlander (as posted on its door frame), using the dry weight of the 21 of yours John (ours sounds to be nearly identically optioned), then subtracting Mary and my weights we will have approximately 1329# of cargo weight capacity in the Highlander and 21 combined. I know we will be far under that number based on past experience with our 17.

However, if we traveled with full fresh water tanks AND full waste tanks (about 651#) we could come close to exceeding the GCVWR if we packed too much gear. I plan to never travel in that configuration.

I think checking the GCVWR is too often overlooked.

Good thoughts Eric.

I myself always plan ahead, and know where the nearest dump station is, and even call ahead to make sure it is still operational.... to ensure we are never ever towing any more than a few miles with full or partially full grey and black tanks, after boondocking. Plus at that time the fresh water tank would not be full, generally.

[Donna D.]

Originally Posted by Losangeles

Hey Steven

Somewhere there was a thread about a spreadsheets of actual tongue weights. It was very helpful.

Sorry I don't have a link. A search should turn it up.

Jon has a link to his spread sheet in his post here: http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f1...orld-2298.html

[Vermilye]

Originally Posted by Losangeles

Hey Steven

Somewhere there was a thread about a spreadsheets of actual tongue weights. It was very helpful.

Sorry I don't have a link. A search should turn it up.

For me the key is a Shureline 1000 lb scale. Along with about 13 or so Lynx Levelers and a flat Lynx "topper" to make a flat surface for the scale.

They are most accurate in the middle of the range, thus 1,000 capacity.

And FWIIW my certificate of Origin lists the "shipping" (dry) weight as 3,685 lbs.

John.

I do my best to keep it up at http://lakeshoreimages.com/spreadsheets/Weight.xls

I don't have many of the new 2017 builds, so if you make accurate trailer & tongue weight measurements, of any fiberglass trailer, please let me know!

[cpaharley2008]

I stopped on the way home from Osoyoos with a fully loaded 21 and got it weighed at a truck scale on I90, 500 on tongue and 3800 on the axles, with empty grey and black and 2/3 full fresh tank. Oh and 2 weeks of dirty laundry also.

[steve dunham]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

I stopped on the way home from Osoyoos with a fully loaded 21 and got it weighed at a truck scale on I90, 500 on tongue and 3800 on the axles, with empty grey and black and 2/3 full fresh tank. Oh and 2 weeks of dirty laundry also.

Jim , based on the numbers you posted do you believe that it would be reasonable to assume that if one was traveling with a partially full fresh water tank and full waste tanks that the trailer weight would approach 5000 lbs and have a tongue weight in excess of 600 lbs . I know for my Casita if my waste tanks are full my tongue weight is approx 500 lbs.
We are looking at purchasing a new tow vehicle and then an Escape 21 with options. It would appear from your numbers that a vehicle with a 5000 lb tow and 500 lb tongue weight rating would be at or over its' limits towing an Escape 21.
I want to make sure that my next tow vehicle has a rating sufficient to cover all circumstances including having to tow with full tanks .
Convincing my wife to pack light looks good on paper but from past experiences an unattainable goal !

Thanks
Steve D

[cpaharley2008]

Steve,
My numbers were from the old style 21 which had a 4500# limit. The website still shows that number for the 21 but the updated 19 has a 5,000 limit amount. It is possible the new 21 weights maybe a little more than 5,000 but not by much. You can always control the tongue weight with judicious loading. On edit I notice the 5.0 TA weight has been increase to 5500?

[steve dunham]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

Steve,
My numbers were from the old style 21 which had a 4500# limit. The website still shows that number for the 21 but the updated 19 has a 5,000 limit amount. It is possible the new 21 weights maybe a little more than 5,000 but not by much. You can always control the tongue weight with judicious loading. On edit I notice the 5.0 TA weight has been increase to 5500?

From what I've read and if my memory is correct GMC / Chevrolet builds a 1/2 ton truck with a tow rating well over 10,000 lbs , a payload capacity of over 1800 lbs and a tongue weight rating of 600 lbs without needing a WDH. I would prefer to stay with a light duty V8 truck if possible . A 3/4 ton truck appears to be more than required for an Escape 21 . Actual weights from members who own the newer model Escape 21 are extremely useful when considering a tow vehicle especially if one is planning on buying a brand new vehicle.
Thanks to all for taking the time to post their actual weights and towing experiences.

[thoer]

In John's case with a dry weight of 3685# if he (for some reason I cannot imagine) were to have totally full fresh, black and grey water tanks, he would then add 651# and be at 4336#. To be over the 21's and his tow's ratings of 5000#, he would then need to add 664# of clothes, food, etc.

I think he'd need an awful lot of cast iron cooking utensils and maybe 10 cases of beer stacked on the floor. Unless he casts he own fishing weights and carries a lot of lead along...

[Rossue]

Originally Posted by steve dunham

Convincing my wife to pack light looks good on paper but from past experiences an unattainable goal !

HA HA- same here, which is one reason I dumped the calculator and traded the Highlander for a Yukon with zero regrets!

[float5]

Originally Posted by thoer

When we get our 21 home I plan to do the same thing as I did with our 17B - load it all up for a trip and weigh it at a local farm coop scale.

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Eric, you might want to go weigh it empty just out of curiosity as to how it compares with your paperwork. You know, once you fill it up, it may never be empty again!

[float5]

The wives are the reason to go get those big trucks!! A man I know said that that is always the excuse!! They made you do it!

[thoer]

Cathy, I have that farm coop about 7 miles from our place that only charges me $2 per weight reading, so I may well do that after we get home. It's long enough too so I will also someday load up the Highlander and trailer for a trip and get a full rig weight.

And I could never say it was Mary's fault to get another truck, since she greatly prefers driving and riding in the Highlander over our previous Tacoma. I'm probably the one more likely to need to be more careful about not dragging more weight along in tools and gadgets.

[float5]

Originally Posted by thoer

Cathy, I have that farm coop about 7 miles from our place that only charges me $2 per weight reading, so I may well do that after we get home. It's long enough too so I will also someday load up the Highlander and trailer for a trip and get a full rig weight.

That is a low low price!

[Rossue]

Originally Posted by Losangeles

....And FWIIW my certificate of Origin lists the "shipping" (dry) weight as 3,685 lbs. John.

Did you get A/C? We did not, nor the spray on foam; have dual-pane with no reinforced walls & U-dinette with Group 29 12V: 3560 LBS from Customs Invoice. First time I've looked and given the advertised dry weight at time of order was 3050 that means 500 LBS heavier; hmmm- wouldn't have guessed that.

[thoer]

A/C is supposedly about 100# and spray foam about 30# (I think from one thread where we were trying to calculate it quite a while ago).

[float5]

Originally Posted by Rossue

Did you get A/C? We did not, nor the spray on foam; have dual-pane with no reinforced walls & U-dinette with Group 29 12V: 3560 LBS from Customs Invoice. First time I've looked and given the advertised dry weight at time of order was 3050 that means 500 LBS heavier; hmmm- wouldn't have guessed that.

That is the most common increase that I have seen: 500-600 for options and another 500-600 for items loaded, 1000-1200 over basic dry weight before options.

[float5]

Originally Posted by thoer

A/C is supposedly about 100# and spray foam about 30# (I think from one thread where we were trying to calculate it quite a while ago).

Escape used to say that the foam was more than double that weight. Don't know if they now put less or they decided that it weighs less.

[thoer]

Originally Posted by float5

Escape used to say that the foam was more than double that weight. Don't know if they now put less or they decided that it weighs less.

I was about 10# off, see the end of this thread:

http://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f7...ay-3474-4.html

[Losangeles]

Originally Posted by Rossue

Did you get A/C? We did not, nor the spray on foam; have dual-pane with no reinforced walls & U-dinette with Group 29 12V: 3560 LBS from Customs Invoice. First time I've looked and given the advertised dry weight at time of order was 3050 that means 500 LBS heavier; hmmm- wouldn't have guessed that.

How could we survive in So Cal without AC?



yes, got ac.

No u dinette.

the 2017 21' is somewhat heavier - about 400 lbs i seem to recall.

[float5]

Originally Posted by thoer

I was about 10# off, see the end of this thread:

Using 30 or 40 lbs., they used to say that it was about double that.