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Old 02-12-2018, 02:04 PM   #1
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Tow capacity video

This link was posted by a senior member over on the other site (not sure if theres any policy preventing me from posting this here).

This is one of the best videos i've seen and breaks it down nicely. Believe it or not, I don't seem to have a huge amount of leeway towing a 2017 19 with a Tundra 5.7 4x4 when considering tongue weight, passengers and cargo (seemed crazy to me).

One of the reasons I've posted is because i have a friend ask me for advice on a trailer that's obviously over capacity for their vehicle. Gave them some resources, but they purchased anyway.

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Old 02-12-2018, 02:11 PM   #2
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:03 PM   #3
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Very informative and interesting video. Too bad it was brand
( Ford) specific..
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Very informative and interesting video. Too bad it was brand
( Ford) specific.
I thought it was well played out. A bit fast paced. Gave the listener some good ideas to ponder.

I was wondering why it mattered that it was Ford specific? They had to pick some vehicle to use.
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Old 02-12-2018, 03:56 PM   #5
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The exccel spread sheet near the end , where he plugs in hitch weight, tongue weight and payload was an eye opener for me. I’m in the safe zone, but not by as much as I thought.
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Just finished downloading the spreadsheet, time to check this out myself!
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Old 02-12-2018, 04:23 PM   #7
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Interesting and well done video.

The fellow mentioned being stopped and weighed, and ticketed if overweight. Has this happened to anyone here, and if so, where?
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The fellow mentioned being stopped and weighed, and ticketed if overweight. Has this happened to anyone here, and if so, where?
Not to me, but I have heard (so this is still little better than rumour) of highway enforcement in British Columbia.

I'll note, though, that the only limits which could likely be enforced would be Gross Axle Weight Ratings and Gross Vehicle Weight Ratings (for both tow vehicle and trailer axles); trailer weight limits set by tow vehicle manufacturers are not shown on the vehicle's information placard, and could not be enforced. Even Gross Combination Weight Ratings are not provided in any enforceable way, although the limits for non-commercial vehicles are set by regulation, and could be enforced (not an issue when towing any Escape). It wouldn't be surprising if some vehicles towing very large trailers, and some trucks carrying slide-in campers, exceed the axle limits and GVWR.
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Just finished downloading the spreadsheet, time to check this out myself!
Can you forward that spreadsheet to our library for others to use? Under files section...
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I like the pace of the video. Getting this sort of material by video is slower than printed text with illustrations anyway, and most "informative" videos are excruciatingly slow.

I think it was generally quite good, especially by the standards of YouTube videos. There are little things, of course:
  • a two-wheel-drive pickup is a "4X2", not a "2X4"
  • they should not use the term "carry" the way they do because it will confuse what they're talking about with payload for some people (the truck doesn't "carry" the trailer)
  • they shouldn't say "CAT Scale", but instead should use a more generic term which will mean something to ordinary people
  • it's GCWR (for Gross Combined Weight Rating), not GCVWR (for Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating); GCVWR makes sense, but it's just not the common term
  • the weight of towing equipment is not mentioned, but should have been included as part of the weight cutting into available payload
  • he consistently talks about the "truck", but everything in the video applies equally to other style of vehicles (although of course only a truck with an open bed or deck can tow a trailer - such as a fifth-wheel - that hitches over the truck axle).

I agree that the video only used Ford F-SuperDuty trucks as examples; the information would apply to any brand. He even says
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This is important: Do not use these numbers...
... while emphasising that he is showing the method, and you must get the numbers for your own specific vehicle (Ford or not).

I like his example of the fifth-wheel: that thing blows the payload capacity (and thus GVWR) of the "3/4 ton" pickup with just the pin weight, leaving nothing for people, cargo, or even a hitch to connect the truck and trailer! Escape 5.0TA owners should be able to identify with this challenge, even with their trailers which have one-third of the total and pin weights. Even his example of the same truck with a fifth-wheel only twice the weight of a 5.0TA (and only two people) is borderline for that F-250.

The spreadsheet is okay, if not as clear as it could be. If you have any idea how to use a spreadsheet there's no reason to download this one, as it has nothing of significance in it; like many other trailer owners, I have built similar sheets for my own use and to assist others, and shared at least one in one of these forums.
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