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Old 07-09-2016, 12:05 PM   #111
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What error? There is only 75# difference between DaveEscape's dryweight tag supplied with his new trailer and what ETI has evidently told Bear101 what his will be with current options list. That could easily be accounted for with a reinforced wall here, a u-shape dinette there, etc.
Dry weight to me is without options. Of course this is with options, but this seems high for a 19'. It may well be correct and it could be that we simply did not have a correct dry weight previously. That would explain how some of us cannot see how this is possible.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:22 PM   #112
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What error? There is only 75# difference between DaveEscape's dryweight tag supplied with his new trailer and what ETI has evidently told Bear101 what his will be with current options list. That could easily be accounted for with a reinforced wall here, a u-shape dinette there, etc.
not saying there is an error but possibly some confusion....based on posts it seems the validity of the new Escape build dry weight estimate and tagged weight are possibly to high
as a newbie question...is each trailer weighed after production so the numbers on the tag are accuurate?
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:29 PM   #113
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not saying there is an error but possibly some confusion....based on posts it seems the validity of the new Escape build dry weight estimate and tagged weight are possibly to high
as a newbie question...is each trailer weighed after production so the numbers on the tag are accuurate?
They are sending you paperwork in advance of the build being done so they are using numbers for options that they have already for items you have put on your build sheet.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:30 PM   #114
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Hi Jeff(freespirit)- I knew you meant discrepancy and it is not hard to see why some are confused(then disappointed) when looking at ETI's website and see the 19 listed at 2600 lbs. dry weight. To get to 3740# with a few options probably wouldn't occur to many and points out the need for an updating to their website pointing out the new dry weight for the Gen2 model.

Yes, they do weigh the trailers when completed.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:56 PM   #115
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Yes, they do weigh the trailers when completed.
thank you.

also from Escape website and edited for info on 19 as this is being discussed.
"Do I need a truck to pull an Escape?
No. On average, most Escape customers carry about 800lbs – 1,000lbs of cargo with them when they travel and add about 200lbs – 300lbs of options to their Escape Travel Trailer.
Therefore, the
19′ Escape, with a dry weight of 2,500lbs will travel fully loaded at about 3,800lbs."
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and post of an actual new 2017 gen 2 Escape 19 tag
"tag indicates 3665 lbs dry " (and assuming without cargo weight)!
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edited....so maybe one can see some confusion for those that purchased either their tug or the Escape trailer based on a load of 3,800 lbs (or even 4000 lbs) FULLY LOADED and then find out a new trailer is actually 3600+ lbs WITHOUT cargo and NOT fully loaded...
not a problem for this camper's tug but it may be for some based on the info they had available.
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Old 07-09-2016, 12:58 PM   #116
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We have to explain this to people on Fiberglassrv who look at dry weight and do not realize that options may be 500-600 lbs. or more. and then you add your items. Other trailers do not have this kind of options list and many options that we get may be standard on theirs.

I generally say to add 1000 lbs. to the dry weight to have a good idea of what your loaded weight will be. Now, however, the options have increased and the weight of many is considerable, so that someone who really loads up with options may be at 1200 over dry weight.

I think that is mostly the problem here. Someone had looked at dry weight and now has to add the options, and their items. Dry weight has no options.
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Old 07-09-2016, 02:02 PM   #117
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The number that is easy to overlook (and sometimes hard to find) is the GCVW gross combined vehicle weight, or the grand total of vehicle and trailer both fully loaded. For example our 2016 Highlander has a GCVW of 9828#. The curb weight of the Highlander is 4464#, leaving 5364# capacity for trailer, us, everything loaded into the Highlander and trailer, and all cargo, fresh water and waste tanks. So, while the Highlander is rated at 5000# towing, if you towed a trailer at that weight, the occupants plus anything in the Highlander could not be more than 364#. That would leave this overweight guy plus Mary with about a change of clothes.

That said, I would not be afraid nor consider it unsafe to tow up to the max ratings but I would never tow over them.

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Old 07-09-2016, 02:17 PM   #118
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We have to explain this to people on Fiberglassrv who look at dry weight and do not realize that options may be 500-600 lbs. or more. and then you add your items. Other trailers do not have this kind of options list and many options that we get may be standard on theirs.

I generally say to add 1000 lbs. to the dry weight to have a good idea of what your loaded weight will be. Now, however, the options have increased and the weight of many is considerable, so that someone who really loads up with options may be at 1200 over dry weight.

I think that is mostly the problem here. Someone had looked at dry weight and now has to add the options, and their items. Dry weight has no options.
Took a look at our 2013 19 ft trailer . We have AC, front box, dual batteries , microwave , foam , extra insulation and Windows , oven . Sticker says GVWR 1818 kg =4008 lb . 1145 kg shipping weight =2525 lb . 336kg CC =740 lb . Waste tanks 204 kg =450 lb . Water heater 27 kg =60 lb . Fresh water at 90kg = 199 lb . Our axles are 2500lb each .At this time not worried with Ford which can tow 8600 lb . We have a class 3 hitch at 5000lb. I am guessing the figures on tanks are filled ? My difference in weight carrying capacity is my options is subtracting from GVWR ? I want to learn too even though I think I have plenty of wiggle room . Pat
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Pat, GVWR is the maximum weight of the trailer with all cargo. Your 19 can weigh (with trailer plus all contents) up to 4008 lbs. The shipping weight is the same as dry weight - 2525lbs. The dry weight is your starting point. So, 2525 lbs plus all options will give you your actual dry weight. The difference between your actual dry weight and your GVWR is your cargo capacity. Yes, the weight of the water in your tanks is part of the cargo. Your axle rating has nothing to do with calculating these numbers, although it is one part of the equation the factory uses to determine GVWR. It just means each axle can support up to 2500 lbs.
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Doesn't the shipping weight posted on the trailer include the specific options on that trailer?

I asked Tammy how to determine the exact weight of our 17B and she said to use the sheet of paper glued in the cabinet. To take the GVWR and subtract the CC (cargo carrying capacity) and that is the dry weight of our trailer with all options.

So for ours 1590kg - 441kg = 1149 kg or about 2533# which seems to agree with weighing we have done
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