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Old 07-19-2016, 06:26 PM   #31
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I can't help wonder if ETI's success and inroads into the U.S. market share hasn't resulted in one or more U.S. manufacturer complaining to their local rep. Probably paranoid to think that, on the other hand, business is business.
I suspect that it would be far cheaper and easier to hire hit man to take out a company's key people than to change U.S. federal regulations to get in the way of that one little company.
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:45 PM   #32
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According to the regulations mentioned, Section 30112 (B)(3) excludes from the provision any manufacturer who makes a product specifically and marked "For Export only" and in addition these rules are 10 years old, dated 2006
30112. Prohibitions on manufacturing, selling, and importing noncomplying motor vehicles and equipment

(a) General.--

(1) Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a person may not manufacture for sale, sell, offer for sale, introduce or deliver for introduction in interstate commerce, or import into the United States, any motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment manufactured on or after the date an applicable motor vehicle safety standard prescribed under this chapter takes effect unless the vehicle or equipment complies with the standard and is covered by a certification issued under section 30115 of this title.

(2) Except as provided in this section, sections 30113 and 30114 of this title, and subchapter III of this chapter, a school or school system may not purchase or lease a new 15-passenger van if it will be used significantly by, or on behalf of, the school or school system to transport preprimary, primary, or secondary school students to or from school or an event related to school, unless the 15-passenger van complies with the motor vehicle standards prescribed for school buses and multifunction school activity buses under this title. This paragraph does not apply to the purchase or lease of a 15- passenger van under a contract executed before the date of enactment of this paragraph.

(b) Nonapplication.--This section does not apply to--

(1) the sale, offer for sale, or introduction or delivery for introduction in interstate commerce of a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment after the first purchase of the vehicle or equipment in good faith other than for resale;

(2) a person--

(A) establishing that the person had no reason to know, despite exercising reasonable care, that a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment does not comply with applicable motor vehicle safety standards prescribed under this chapter; or

(B) holding, without knowing about the noncompliance and before the vehicle or equipment is first purchased in good faith other than for resale, a certificate issued by a manufacturer or importer stating the vehicle or equipment complies with applicable standards prescribed under this chapter;

(3) a motor vehicle or motor vehicle equipment intended only for export, labeled for export on the vehicle or equipment and on the outside of any container of the vehicle or equipment, and exported;
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:47 PM   #33
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If Escape marks their US trailers for Export and their domestic trailers are not subject to these rules, I think this is much to ado about nothing.
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:55 PM   #34
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doubt this has anything to do with a small company such as Escape or any other conspiracy theories...just more bureaucratic red tape..looks like they are trying to corral any mfg that doesn't have a traceable VIN to the government std...it will probably cost ETI some more for a lawyer or someone to act as an legal agent in US (if they don't have one) to comply and put up with the paperwork....yes this may impact buyers for the immediate future, but it will get resolved. It may force the production schedule to be pushed out and may result in inventory and cash flow headaches for ETI for the short term. Perhaps they can compress the production schedule for Canadian buyers to keep the doors open until the issues exporting to the US are resolved.
reminiscent of the 80's and 90's when ISO9xxx was somewhat forced on all US mfgs...lots of paperwork and for those mfgs that didn't have good process documentation , it forced them to do a better job and both the mfg and the consumer ended up with a better product in the long run...
this is just about a VIN process it appears, and with no disrespect... one can only imagine what it would take for some small trailer mfg's to pass a ISO9xxx process if they can't even provide a simple wiring diagram....
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:01 PM   #35
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Hopefully the parties involved can engage in some productive and fog clearing dialog shortly.
I feel bad for anyone expecting to get a trailer in the immediate future, especially those who have had one stored at Escape in anticipation of pickup. As I used to say before I swore off being a passenger on aircraft landing in thunderstorms. "Steady, Steady." No reason to panic here. The cash flow thing would make me crazy. Maybe all the Canadians get to move up in the queue to keep the home fires burning Eh. Bureaucrats, politicians, and curmudgeons need to get stuck in a snowstorm, on a bus, all together, with food, water and heat, and a club for everyone.
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They have companies that are "legal agents" recognized by each state and the courts that will accept a summons or subpoena on behalf of the company and act as their legal agent. This is why you will see a lot commercial truck trailers with tags from Maine or some other low tax state, it allows a company with headquarters in place A to open a office in another state which exists only on paper but have a registered agent that can accept legal documents.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:08 PM   #37
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Yes, I'm aware of at least 2 members here that left last week to pick up their trailer later this week, vacation time and $$$ are all in limbo. But as I read the reg's, other than some bookkeeping, "Export" only units are not involved and of course those sold to Canadians are not subject to US regs.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:15 PM   #38
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Yes, I'm aware of at least 2 members here that left last week to pick up their trailer later this week, vacation time and $$$ are all in limbo.
yes that is very unfortunate.... perhaps they should "import" their trailers across one of those border crossings that supposedly ain't manned...just kidding of course.
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Bureaucrats, politicians, and curmudgeons need to get stuck in a snowstorm, on a bus, all together, with food, water and heat, and a club for everyone.
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surely you mean "NO" food, water and heat, and a club for everyone...
gets the job done quicker.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:23 PM   #40
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US buyers used to import the trailer themselves, which meant they had to pay Canadian sales taxes etc. and then apply to be reimbursed. It also caused headaches for ETI.
Not sure, but importing the trailer yourself might be a fallback.
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