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Old 07-19-2016, 09:49 PM   #61
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Old 07-19-2016, 09:57 PM   #62
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I did send Sarah an email earlier asking if this meant that my Vin number would be changing. Her answer was no, the Vin would not be changing, and all my paperwork was still valid. That was a relief since we've already registered it and gotten our tags
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Sorry to say, I have to agree with the sentiment that this was probably brought about by a U.S. manufacturer who sees a niche market that they can't control. Being a small business, artisanal soap maker, I see the rules and regulations that the Government continually tries to impose upon the small entrepreneur. I belong to a Guild which has an "advocate" whose sole responsibility is to talk to members of Congress in order to try and stymie useless bills whose only purpose is to put the the small soap maker out of business. And who is behind all of this legislation? Turns out it's entities like Proctor & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Revlon, etc.

Wouldn't surprise me if an entity like Thor forced Congress to review/revise their export rules for RVs. Guess I'm just the distrusting type ...
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I did send Sarah an email earlier asking if this meant that my Vin number would be changing. Her answer was no, the Vin would not be changing, and all my paperwork was still valid. That was a relief since we've already registered it and gotten our tags
I was also glad to hear that. I was wondering if the Escape VIN number system would need to change and whether that would create a problem in the US when selling a used trailer down the road...like the VIN number was invalid or something. Sounds like escape just needs to get into the system so that the VIN numbers can decode correctly.
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Jan, I think your distrust is well placed. A long dead US President once said that the scariest words in the English language were "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."


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Old 07-19-2016, 10:10 PM   #67
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Sorry to say, I have to agree with the sentiment that this was probably brought about by a U.S. manufacturer who sees a niche market that they can't control. Being a small business, artisanal soap maker, I see the rules and regulations that the Government continually tries to impose upon the small entrepreneur. I belong to a Guild which has an "advocate" whose sole responsibility is to talk to members of Congress in order to try and stymie useless bills whose only purpose is to put the the small soap maker out of business. And who is behind all of this legislation? Turns out it's entities like Proctor & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Revlon, etc.

Wouldn't surprise me if an entity like Thor forced Congress to review/revise their export rules for RVs. Guess I'm just the distrusting type ...
I had started to put that out there but I erased it . I get in enough trouble but since you stated it first .Thor seams to be gobbling all RV's . Now they have Nest fiberglass. It is a possibility . Pat
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:12 PM   #68
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the scariest words in the English language were "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
Thought that was, "I'm from IT, and I'm here to help".
Government has never erased my drive and all my personal files, TWICE, without telling me what they were going to do.
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:12 PM   #69
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Yep, no checking out B.C. or camping close to the Chilliwack mother ship... ever.
Not sure about the "ever" part. That hasn't been my experience in similar situations in other countries. True, if you're buying to export you have to get out of Dodge quickly but once the item has gone to another country and been registered there the clock is reset. You can then re-enter the original country.

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You can blame that muckraker rbryan4 in post #53 Pat. He started it.


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Old 07-19-2016, 10:32 PM   #71
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Wouldn't surprise me if an entity like Thor forced Congress to review/revise their export rules for RVs. Guess I'm just the distrusting type ...
I assume this was meant to be "import" (not "export") rules, as exports from the U.S. are irrelevant to Escape and probably don't matter much even to Thor (who exports to Canada, but who cares about less than 10% of their business?).

It would surprise me if anyone at Thor even noticed that there are travel trailers made in Canada, let alone care about them enough as competition to lobby for obstructive legislation which would probably backfire on them anyway. The entire output of travel trailers of all Canadian manufacturers is nothing compared to Thor's own output, and even more insignificant compared to the total of U.S. manufacturers.

Back to my earlier comment - if you're going to spent money to take someone out, there are options...
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Thor seams to be gobbling all RV's . Now they have Nest fiberglass. It is a possibility .
Thor handles competitors by buying them, not by throwing government paperwork at them.
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:36 PM   #72
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Sounds like escape just needs to get into the system so that the VIN numbers can decode correctly.
I agree. If the VIN of a trailer in progress does not need to be changed, the Vehicle Description Section of the VIN must be sufficiently descriptive. The rest of the VIN is clearly compliant with VIN rules, and always has been. Since Sarah specifically mentioned VIN Decoding, this appears to be entirely a matter of getting Escape Trailer Industries properly registered in the current NHTSA system.
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:40 PM   #73
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Not sure about the "ever" part. That hasn't been my experience in similar situations in other countries. True, if you're buying to export you have to get out of Dodge quickly but once the item has gone to another country and been registered there the clock is reset. You can then re-enter the original country.
Good point, but at least the initial trip would be out... and what is posted in that page (which is an easy-to-read description, rather than the actual regulation) doesn't hint at any timing consideration.

Having the Canadian manufacturer export the trailer to the U.S. - which is what Escape has been doing and will continue to do - is certainly better, in any case.
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Old 07-19-2016, 10:47 PM   #74
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It would surprise me if anyone at Thor even noticed that there are travel trailers made in Canada, let alone care about them enough as competition to lobby for obstructive legislation. The entire output of travel trailers of all Canadian manufacturers is nothing compared to Thor's own output, and even more insignificant compared to the total of U.S. manufacturers.

Back to my earlier comment - if you're going to spent money to take someone out, there are options...

Thor handles competitors by buying them, not by throwing government paperwork at them.
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Sorry to say, I have to agree with the sentiment that this was probably brought about by a U.S. manufacturer who sees a niche market that they can't control. Being a small business, artisanal soap maker, I see the rules and regulations that the Government continually tries to impose upon the small entrepreneur. I belong to a Guild which has an "advocate" whose sole responsibility is to talk to members of Congress in order to try and stymie useless bills whose only purpose is to put the the small soap maker out of business. And who is behind all of this legislation? Turns out it's entities like Proctor & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, Revlon, etc.

Wouldn't surprise me if an entity like Thor forced Congress to review/revise their export rules for RVs. Guess I'm just the distrusting type ...
Hi: CADreamin... I'm with you on this one!!! Coincidence that this happens just after Thor/Airstream bought Nest. Alf
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Robert I think this throw everyone for a loop . Hope it gets sorted out very soon . Pat
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I assume this was meant to be "import" (not "export") rules, as exports from the U.S. are irrelevant to Escape and probably don't matter much even to Thor (who exports to Canada, but who cares about less than 10% of their business?).

It would surprise me if anyone at Thor even noticed that there are travel trailers made in Canada, let alone care about them enough as competition to lobby for obstructive legislation which would probably backfire on them anyway. The entire output of travel trailers of all Canadian manufacturers is nothing compared to Thor's own output, and even more insignificant compared to the total of U.S. manufacturers.

Back to my earlier comment - if you're going to spent money to take someone out, there are options...

Thor handles competitors by buying them, not by throwing government paperwork at them.
I know Brian but I think the exchange is in the mix and why not make it harder on them succeeding . Making life miserable . Big business does not have a conscience . I know this is all conspiracy theories .don't you get a warning first ? Pat
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I know Brian but I think the exchange is in the mix ... Pat
If that's the case, how do you explain stuff that happened ( whatever that was ) when the Canadian dollar was worth $1.12 US?
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Coincidence that this happens just after Thor/Airstream bought Nest.
The purchase of Nest was probably in the works for months before it was announced on 2016 April 01, but the procedural changes at NHTSA must have been started many months before that. Yes, it is truly a coincidence.
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Unfortunately, corporations have learned that it's best to stifle the small business before it becomes a large business with a significant following. And, if you can't buy them out, get the Government to regulate them to death. The Government's edict may be a legitimate one, but it took someone to point out to them that Escape, for one, should be scrutinized.

Let's hope the issue is quickly resolved and the matter becomes a thing of the past.
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