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Old 09-15-2015, 09:14 PM   #81
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You can request amber lenses as well as installing the street side lower at belly band level for those night time hook ups. I also got one on the front, over the box for hitching illumination.
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:42 PM   #82
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Just look at what happened to the Nest Caravan, an extremely well built unit using top quality components, but the final cost got pushed to where very few would be willing to pay the cost.
I immediately thought of the Nest, too, when this part of the discussion started. The Nest has a very cool recessed porch light. It looked like a docking light, so I asked Robert about it and indeed it is an ITC marine docking fixture (but LED version)... for US$60. Nice, but worth it? It is for Robert's target market, but Escape's target market is hundreds of times larger. Somewhere in between, the same marine supplier had a promising looking low-profile surface-mounted LED light for RVs, but they don't seem to offer it any more.

As long as the original light mounting doesn't leave a big hole, this does seem like something that the owner can switch out to suit their preference.
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I immediately thought of the Nest, too, when this part of the discussion started. The Nest has a very cool recessed porch light. It looked like a docking light, so I asked Robert about it and indeed it is an ITC marine docking fixture (but LED version)... for US$60. Nice, but worth it? It is for Robert's target market, but Escape's target market is hundreds of times larger. Somewhere in between, the same marine supplier had a promising looking low-profile surface-mounted LED light for RVs, but they don't seem to offer it any more.

As long as the original light mounting doesn't leave a big hole, this does seem like something that the owner can switch out to suit their preference.
Brian the hole for wiring was 1/2 in dia . The light fixture itself mounts on the surface of trailer covering the 1/2 in hole . Pat
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Old 09-15-2015, 11:57 PM   #84
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Like baglo, we rarely use ours, and when we do, don't really want it blinding.
I guess our use is the reverse. At home it's nice to turn the outside light on before going outside. Walking into a face-to-face with a bear stills gives me a start and I even like bears. So, also in the trailer, we like to see what's outside before we open the door.

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Old 09-16-2015, 12:18 AM   #85
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Yeah, I guess I am a little carefree, as I can't remember the last time I looked out a window before going out. I be a rebel.

If I rarely use the porch light, Lisa uses it even less. To each their own, eh?
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:42 AM   #86
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Glad to see you got it all sorted out, Pat. A bit of a hassle, but with good results.

One of the biggest issues that any RV manufacturer faces, not only Escape, is to keep costs down. The one way to do that is to use the regular, run of the mill components found extensively in the industry. While those lights that Nathan linked to are great, if you use 4 of them you just added $160 to the build, and this is just one component of many that go into the build.

My thoughts are that the industry standard components lack quality largely due to the fact that they mostly see very little use. The vast majority of RV's out there spend almost their entire life in storage.

There are lots of standard items I would love to see upgraded, sinks, taps, stoves, interior panelling, toilets, fill and electrical hatches, drawer slides, and so one, but to address the potential concerns of all these features will push the price to a degree that will scare many people off. Just look at what happened to the Nest Caravan, an extremely well built unit using top quality components, but the final cost got pushed to where very few would be willing to pay the cost.

Just so long as the base elements of the trailer are sound, these individual items can be changed out at the owner's expense afterwards, if they so desire. Some things people want included, Escape will try to accommodate if reasonably possible. You have to remember that something like mounting the existing porch lights takes them less than a minute each, whereas using something supplied by the purchaser will mean they have to build a template to ensure the hole pattern works out, effectively multiplying the time taken by 3-10 times (just guessing here). Do this with a bunch of components on the build, and every other build, and it can drastically affect production time. This I know very well, doing custom building for people. Those production builders can knock off homes in no time, with their eyes closed, whereas every build we do is a prototype, requiring much more time to produce.

This is not to say that requesting higher level products is not a good thing, heck I do plan to do so with a few things myself, or if it is too much of a hassle for Escape, I will just install, or replace, them myself when needed.

Do remember, this post was written by a guy who loves to buy quality products in places where it matters to me. I do buy some cheaper items where longevity and usability are not key factors, but usually buy quality as I know most often there is value in doing so.

Right on the money there Jim!!!!
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Old 09-16-2015, 09:05 AM   #87
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We let our amber lense go with the Casita. Will definitely be looking for one for the Escape. We weren't sure it was the same lense, anyway... although from this discussion it sounds like it may well be.
Kept the clear lens and got an amber LED bulb from Superbrite LEDs. Works great. Cheaper than Amber lens replacement.
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Kept the clear lens and got an amber LED bulb from Superbrite LEDs. Works great. Cheaper than Amber lens replacement.
Really cheaper? I can buy the amber lens for less than $6 and it never burns out
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Neither should the led either but I like using both combined in orange. With leds the lens and bulb should match for best performance.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:11 AM   #90
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Jim,
That's a good tip. I.E. When folks change taillights to LED they need to get a red LED bulb, otherwise the light comes out pink. Almost made that mistake on my 17B taillights but eTrailers explained that it needed to match the lens color.
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