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Old 10-17-2015, 04:12 PM   #11
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With my Tacoma I can barely hold 70Kph going up the snow shed hill and that's with a newer truck and only a 17B
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.. in my 2015 Toyota Tacoma 4X4 with tow package I breeze through the snow shed.
I have read disparate reports of performance with the same tug and comparable trailers before; the difference may be as simple as using different gears and thus running at different engine speeds.

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Did Toyota Tacoma increase horse power in 2015? I've heard that Toyota Tacoma's 2016 has a smaller engine with increased horse power.
It would be unlikely that the last year of a model generation, using the same engine as used for several years, would get a power increase... and it didn't in this case.

Details of the 2016 Tacoma V6 engine were strangely sparse until the trucks actually made it to showrooms, other than the change in displacement from 4.0L to 3.5L, but it appears to be a later and more sophisticated version of the same GR-series engine family. The new one has significantly more power, but needs to rev faster to put out its maximum.

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  • 265 lb·ft (360 N·m) of torque@ 4,600 rpm
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Old 10-17-2015, 04:38 PM   #12
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What a great forum...all very helpful comments. Thanks! Particularly helpful was hearing the opinion that the trailer choice should come before the towing vehicle. Makes sense; given we've tended to hold onto our vehicles longer, and liked smaller 4 wheel drive vehicles for day-to-day use, we had not really been thinking about benefits/need to get a larger/longer towing vehicle. Now we may need to rethink that if the 19' Escape is what we end up wanting. Good to know that others feel our 2004 Pathfinder would be 'ok' (but not ideal) so we could get away with that vehicle for a couple of years if we had to...assuming we can find a 19...or any Escape for that matter given how popular they are!!
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Old 10-17-2015, 05:44 PM   #13
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Why would you have to replace the hitch in order to use a WDH? I ask because I have a 2015 4Runner and I'm getting a WDH and I've seen this issue come up about the hitch.
I have a 2012 4Runner and the Owners Manual states,

"If using a weight distributing hitch when towing, return the front
axle to the same weight as before the trailer connection.
If front axle weight cannot be measured directly, measure the
front fender height above the front axle before connection.
Adjust weight distributing hitch torque until front fender is
returned to the same height as before connection."
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Check your Owners Manual for the 2015.
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Old 10-17-2015, 05:59 PM   #14
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On my RAV4, which may not be relevant, the Toyota factory hitch receiver is a Class II and not suitable for using with WDH. The dealer had to bring in a guy to install a Class III hitch receiver ( or they wouldn't have sold the vehicle ).
So, my question would be, what class hitch receiver is on your vehicle?
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Old 10-17-2015, 07:17 PM   #15
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With my Tacoma I can barely hold 70Kph going up the snow shed hill and that's with a newer truck and only a 17B.Al
Is this primarily by choice? I ask this as I generally drop down to about 70k as well up the Coq. I don't much like getting too far above 2200-2500 rpm unless I have to with my Ecoboost F-150 as it just guzzles the fuel.
I tend to let my speed drop on the longer, steeper climbs as it simply isn't worth it for me with the fuel consumption.
The truck is very capable and I can easily maintain the speed limit towing our 19' up the Coq however, the trade-off is high fuel use.
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Old 10-17-2015, 07:40 PM   #16
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Is this primarily by choice? I ask this as I generally drop down to about 70k as well up the Coq. I don't much like getting too far above 2200-2500 rpm unless I have to with my Ecoboost F-150 as it just guzzles the fuel.
I tend to let my speed drop on the longer, steeper climbs as it simply isn't worth it for me with the fuel consumption.
The truck is very capable and I can easily maintain the speed limit towing our 19' up the Coq however, the trade-off is high fuel use.
No, not by choice but by necessity. I have been able to make it a tad faster, but if I have to slow down even for a second I just can't get the speed back up. My tow weight is around 3400 lbs. It's not a big deal for me either, but I didn't think it would struggle this much through that section. I absolutely love the truck but wish it had a bit more power for the hills, and really wish it was more fuel efficient. Fuel economy towing though isn't bad, just wish it was better when empty. Can't have it all I guess, so I'm not really complaining.
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Old 10-17-2015, 07:55 PM   #17
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With my RAV4 V6 I've always maintained at least 80 kph up the Coquihalla, past the snow shed. I'm in fourth gear and I just stomp on the gas peddle as required. Of course I never leave Hope without a full tank of gas.
One time I manually geared down to third and did about 90 kph until the transmission warning light came on.
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Old 10-17-2015, 08:16 PM   #18
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The owner's manual caution against using a wdh on a v6 4runner pertained to 03-09 models. The v8's from those years had a hitch with tubular arms that extend to the side rails of the frame. The v6 has a small receiver bolted to the rear frame. Upgrading the v6 is easy as the frame is already drilled and tapped for the larger hitch. $200. The upgrade raises towing capacity to 6200/600 and allows using a wdh.

2010 models and on come only with v6 option, the small receiver, and the 5000/500 limit. Also, they are not factory ready for the larger hitch, nor are larger hitches available through places like etrailer.

The unknown is whether the caution against using a wdh applies to 2010 and newer vehicles since it is not mentioned in the manual.
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Old 10-17-2015, 08:45 PM   #19
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I have a 2012 4Runner and the Owners Manual states,

"If using a weight distributing hitch when towing, return the front
axle to the same weight as before the trailer connection.
If front axle weight cannot be measured directly, measure the
front fender height above the front axle before connection.
Adjust weight distributing hitch torque until front fender is
returned to the same height as before connection."
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Check your Owners Manual for the 2015.
That's how to use a WDH, if using one. That doesn't say if use of a WDH is allowed in all configurations - the rest of the towing section of the manual would need to be read to find that. If it doesn't say not to use one, then apparently it's allowed.

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So, my question would be, what class hitch receiver is on your vehicle?
Perhaps interesting, but the hitch class does not determine the use of WDH. WD systems are only available in 2" and larger, so you can't find one to use with a 1.25" receiver; however, not all 2" receivers are suitable for WD use, even if they are rated Class 3. Class 3 - as defined by SAE J684 and the very old VESC V-5 standard - simply means a trailer weight capacity over 3500 pounds and up to 5000 pounds.

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The owner's manual caution against using a wdh on a v6 4runner pertained to 03-09 models. The v8's from those years had a hitch with tubular arms that extend to the side rails of the frame. The v6 has a small receiver bolted to the rear frame. Upgrading the v6 is easy as the frame is already drilled and tapped for the larger hitch. $200. The upgrade raises towing capacity to 6200/600 and allows using a wdh.
Good info!
That matches what I learned from earlier discussion of this issue and looking at available hitches, but adds the relevant model year range.

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2010 models and on come only with v6 option, the small receiver, and the 5000/500 limit. Also, they are not factory ready for the larger hitch, nor are larger hitches available through places like etrailer.
I noticed that the current (2015 when I looked at it) 4Runner has a slightly different frame which would not fit the aftermarket hitches which I saw.

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The unknown is whether the caution against using a wdh applies to 2010 and newer vehicles since it is not mentioned in the manual.
I would say that if it not mentioned in the manual, then it does not apply. The frame design has changed, and apparently the suitability of WDH use has as well.
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Old 10-17-2015, 09:05 PM   #20
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Perhaps interesting, but the hitch class does not determine the use of WDH. WD systems are only available in 2" and larger, so you can't find one to use with a 1.25" receiver; however, not all 2" receivers are suitable for WD use, even if they are rated Class 3. Class 3 - as defined by SAE J684 and the very old VESC V-5 standard - simply means a trailer weight capacity over 3500 pounds and up to 5000 pounds.
I'm still trying to follow your statement above. What I said is, that on my Toyota RAV4 V6, the Toyota factory hitch receiver would have been a Class II, which is not suitable for a WDH.
I gather that for WDH one would need a Class III at least. So I had the dealer install a Class III, which is suitable for WDH.
The key to my stipulation to the dealer was that it be suitable for WDH.
I would look for the sticker on the hitch receiver to determine if it is suitable.
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