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Old 05-14-2014, 02:35 PM   #1
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Escape 19 - no bathroom

The order is in and deposit is taken, looks like we'll be getting a Christmas egg with a delivery date of Dec 23. My wife and I were avid backpackers, until back surgery made that impossible. We moved to car camping until rocks and roots became increasingly uncomfortable, then a T@B. We camp with 2 large dogs, a Golden and a Newf, the T@B is more than a bit tight.

We're choosing an Escape 19 because the weight and size seem appropriate. We live in CO at altitude and drive a Tacoma with a 6500# tow limit. The 17a looks appealing; but the 19 looks doable, 2 extra feet and a queen sized mattress is very appealing. Ours will be built with cabinets and an opening window, instead of the bathroom. My wife is a bit claustrophobic in the T@B, more windows and more open are good. Looking for opinions and critique of options:

3 burner stove with oven - I'm told that brownies are worth it
6.7 ft² refrigerator - if it comes down to produce or beer, I'm going to lose
Opening window over sink - more light, more air
Dual 6v batteries, 160w solar, all LED lights - I own an 1800w generator, I'd like to leave it at home
Insulation and thermal windows - It drops to 20° at night, sometimes, in the summer
Insulation under trailer - same
U shaped dinette - looks more comfortable and permanent.
Stereo & TV wall mount - watching a movie beats strangling each other on rainy evenings
Storage box - extra storage is good, seems to double as a rock guard
Anderson Hitch
Exterior shower

My wife and I are both heat intolerant. If we need A/C at night, we are camped at the wrong place and will leave. Most of our camping is boondocking with the occasional National Park visit. We've never plugged in the T@B anywhere other than home. I'd like to use solar for the furnace, lights, and a movie some evenings. I'll use propane everywhere I can. I need to do some homework on solar sizing; but would prefer factory installed overkill.
I see options for drawers and shelves, where would these go?
While it drops to 20° at night, it doesn't stay there very long. Garden hoses don't freeze and I've never had a problem with the T@B. I'm thinking that the outdoor shower should be fine.
Where is the default TV mount location? Something I ought to consider reinforcing or moving?

Does anyone have experience with snow loading on the roof? Covered storage isn't an option.

What did I miss?

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Old 05-14-2014, 03:51 PM   #2
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Since you are omitting the bathroom you might omit a hot water heater, too. When boondocking it is a waste to heat up 6 gals of water for a one gal shower. A pan of water on the stove is fine. There is debate on the value of an outside shower. I have one, I've used it, I wouldn't miss it. For an outside shower I'd look at an enclosure under the awning with a pot of hot water. Good luck with your design, you'll have room to be creative.

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Old 05-14-2014, 04:15 PM   #3
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We use the outside shower all the time, mostly to wash hair. But, we mostly camp where people wouldn't object ( for whatever reason they can think of ).
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Old 05-14-2014, 04:50 PM   #4
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We like the outside shower, use it to rinse off the dog, rinse feet after the beach, washed hair and rinsed off bug spray and sunscreen. didn't have one on our previous trailer and really missed it.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:13 PM   #5
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Hi: sturski... My take on the elimination of the bathroom is...I won't leave home without one!!! I'm old enough to know the value of towing your own. We've never used either shower... but in the middle of the night, or nowhere... the toilet is a must.
The resale value of such a limited trailer is a big?
The next buyer can add A/C but a bathroom!!! Alf
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:23 PM   #6
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The great thing about having you Escape built to order is the fact that you get to make many of the choices. Since you are making a large leap in size and comfort, I would give a lot of thought about getting the basic bathroom and hot water heater. As you age, going to the pit toilet in the middle of a cold, wet night will make you wish you had one. Who knows...should you want to sell the 19' to get the newest 25' Escape with the slide out, your resale will be better with a bathroom and hot water heater.
Your choice.
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:34 PM   #7
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Double Ditto on bringing along your own toilet. Make that a triple ditto for them midnight necessaries. Sometimes the bushes are just tooo far to go.
"A billion here, a billion there...add it all up and before you know it you're talking real money." Everett Dirkson
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:43 PM   #8
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For many people, "warranty" and "re-sale" value seem to be huge drivers in their decision on how to use what they buy or what options to include in a purchase. For myself, I plan on the majority of my use of the product continuing into the years after the warranty has expired, so warranty is a minimal consideration. Relative to features, I put more consideration into what I want now and what I think I may want in the future, and worry less about some hypothetical future sale value. Most likely, that future sale will be what my Escape brings in at an estate sale, and it will not really matter to me any more how many $ that may be. My suggestion is to include whatever features and options that you want and don't worry about future value.
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:32 PM   #9
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As you point out in your first paragraph, health reasons necessitated the move from backpacking to Escaping. We can not predict the future, but the odds are health reasons could make the need for a bathroom necessary. Something to think about, from someone familiar with actuarial science.
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Old 05-14-2014, 06:33 PM   #10
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I vote with get what you want. Let the estate deal with the leftovers. I recently saw an article about a guy buried in a huge plexiglass coffin with him sitting on his Harley motorcycle. An Escape would need a MUCH larger hole............

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