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Old 09-22-2016, 09:46 AM   #71
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It looks like ETI has updated their website with the new specifications for the 19 and 21. It's interesting the GVWR is less on the 21 than on the 19 (4500 lbs to 5000 lbs).

For those who have received a 2017 19 or 21, how do much higher are your weights than these? I realize options will drive final numbers, but I'm curious how much, especially with hitch weight.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:00 AM   #72
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It looks like ETI has updated their website with the new specifications for the 19 and 21. It's interesting the GVWR is less on the 21 than on the 19 (4500 lbs to 5000 lbs).

For those who have received a 2017 19 or 21, how do much higher are your weights than these? I realize options will drive final numbers, but I'm curious how much, especially with hitch weight.
I barely understand some of this stuff... how can the GVWR be less on the 21 than on the 19? (4500 lbs to 5000 lbs).

I bet a smart person can explain to me, but i'm baffled.

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Old 09-22-2016, 10:11 AM   #73
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It looks like ETI has updated their website with the new specifications for the 19 and 21. It's interesting the GVWR is less on the 21 than on the 19 (4500 lbs to 5000 lbs).

For those who have received a 2017 19 or 21, how do much higher are your weights than these? I realize options will drive final numbers, but I'm curious how much, especially with hitch weight.
Looks lie the old tongue and axle weights for the 19 on this chart....they total 2610# not the 2950# listed.
Unfortunately, the website still needs some work, I'd say.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:17 AM   #74
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I barely understand some of this stuff... how can the GVWR be less on the 21 than on the 19? (4500 lbs to 5000 lbs).

I bet a smart person can explain to me, but i'm baffled.

I don't think the numbers for the 21 have been updated....
I'm curious about the delivered weights of the new trailers too.
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Old 09-22-2016, 10:54 AM   #75
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It looks like ETI has updated their website with the new specifications for the 19 and 21. It's interesting the GVWR is less on the 21 than on the 19 (4500 lbs to 5000 lbs).

For those who have received a 2017 19 or 21, how do much higher are your weights than these? I realize options will drive final numbers, but I'm curious how much, especially with hitch weight.
I also take these numbers to be old. Even on our paperwork for our 21' last year, the GVWR was higher than that. You will be given the numbers when you receive your paperwork some weeks before your trailer build is done. No telling when they will decide what they are going to use for the website.

Edit: There has been a change for the 19' but not for the 21'. Don't know if that is the final one for the 19'. Need to see your own paperwork.
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Old 09-22-2016, 01:30 PM   #76
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It looks like ETI has updated their website with the new specifications for the 19 and 21. It's interesting the GVWR is less on the 21 than on the 19 (4500 lbs to 5000 lbs).

For those who have received a 2017 19 or 21, how do much higher are your weights than these? I realize options will drive final numbers, but I'm curious how much, especially with hitch weight.
I can't help with the new trailers, but if you want a starting point:

With Frederick's permission, I am keeping an Excel spreadsheet version of his "Trailer Weights in the Real World (originally posted at the Fiberglass RV Forum). I'm adding to the list as individuals sent me their information. I prefer getting axle weight, & tongue weight and derive the trailer weight from those figures. I realize that anyone weighing the axle while connected with a WDH will end up incorrect, but there are too many variables to be exact.

The spreadsheet has a filter that lets you choose the brand, size, model, etc and derive averages. You can download a copy here.

There are 8 pre 2017 21's posted so far, with an average weight of 4024 lbs & an average tongue weight of 453 lbs. I'm waiting for the first 2017 21 weights, and if identified by the sender, will identify them on the spreadsheet.
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Latest I have heard from Tammy about our 21' is that it will be approximately 100 lbs heavier than the previous model. She said the 21 is changing the least in weight of any of the models. Most of its weigh change is from some extra fiberglass and reinforcing and the new awning, most everything else is the same on the new 21's.
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It looks like ETI has updated their website with the new specifications for the 19 and 21. It's interesting the GVWR is less on the 21 than on the 19 (4500 lbs to 5000 lbs).

For those who have received a 2017 19 or 21, how do much higher are your weights than these? I realize options will drive final numbers, but I'm curious how much, especially with hitch weight.
Rather than trying to understand inconsistencies in these values, I suggest simply ignoring them. Escape seems to be unable to publish correct weight specifications, so there is no value to the numbers which have appeared on the website this year. They know the base dry weights, and use them as the basis for as-equipped weights provided to individual customers during the order process, but they have not published them.
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Rather than trying to understand inconsistencies in these values, I suggest simply ignoring them. Escape seems to be unable to publish correct weight specifications, so there is no value to the numbers which have appeared on the website this year. They know the base dry weights, and use them as the basis for as-equipped weights provided to individual customers during the order process, but they have not published them.
Agreed. Until there is a published and VERIFIED list of weights, best to ignore. If a couple hundred pounds either way means your tow is out of spec, I'd suggest a new tow.

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Agreed. Until there is a published and VERIFIED list of weights, best to ignore. If a couple hundred pounds either way means your tow is out of spec, I'd suggest a new tow.
I'm basically ignoring all those numbers as it will vary from trailer to trailer. My plan is to hitch The Trailer up to our new tow (see info on the left) and take the fully loaded trailer to a weight scale for exact weights. I'm also going to weigh the combo when I have the truck loaded up for a craft show as it's gonna be lots heavier than for going out camping.

I've been reassured multiple times the Tundra can handle all that, but I am wanting to know weights and all that.
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