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Old 01-03-2016, 01:42 AM   #11
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I am not saying at all that the 19 is better, it was just better for us. That 21 is one darn fine trailer, for sure.
That really is the bottom line. If there was a 20' model, one with the 19 layout and one with the 21 layout I'd pick the 19 model. We all have our preferences, sometimes for factual reasons and sometimes we just look at things and realize we prefer one thing over another for intangible reasons. Sometimes I think folks get too serious about trying to convince others that the model they choose is the only way to go. But then, heck, I could be happy with a Scamp 13 if it had a full time bed.

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Old 01-03-2016, 02:07 AM   #12
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This was not the issue for us, and what fits our style. In the 19, I would have gladly given up a bit of bed size for more use elsewhere, though the wife really liked the queen size. As I am up and about a couple hours before my wife, the bed location in the 21 would not have worked, as she would have been bothered a lot. Being tucked away from the doorway for us was important, but for others it is not.
That is why I asked him about the bed in the back --- as to whether that is an issue with the bed near the door. There may be some very little advantage to the location of the 19' bed for that, but it is traded on the 21' with a little more distance from bed to kitchen for the person sleeping, when the one up uses the kitchen. One thing is traded for another but they are minimal differences because these are small trailers.

The 21' has a curtain which needs to be used. We also have one person getting up early and that is not a problem as long as the curtain is kept across the door. Without the curtain, it would definitely be an issue. That curtain works great and the best thing about it is that it keeps the sun out. I thought the bed by the door would be a problem but it is fine.

I liked the queen also and wish that it did not have to be given up with a 21'. There are a couple of people who have found the 21' bed too small and then went to a 5.0. Don't know if they already had pick-ups.
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Old 01-03-2016, 03:17 AM   #13
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We had a 17b and loved the layout. We just picked up our 19 and I call it the 17 on Steroids, same layout just bigger. 21 is a nice trailer, they all are, but the queen bed in the back and lounge up front is what works for us, but different strokes for different folks.
I can't get out of any bed no matter what way it angles without waking partner up, so we're with Iowa Dave on enjoying the crawl over.
I also prefer smaller for getting in some campsites and spaces. 19 is the cutoff on some great campgrounds that we haunt in AZ.
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Old 01-03-2016, 07:28 AM   #14
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Can only speak for myself. Looked at the 19, I liked it but Deb said it was too narrow. Liked the queen bed and the idea that a smaller vehicle that could tow it. We already owned a small conventional trailer so we new what we needed, size wise, to some extent.

Years later when the 21 came out we looked at it, Deb liked it, but for me the bed was a no go. Had everything we needed including the width, liked the bigger bathroom too. Would need a bigger vehicle then the 19.

Another year later the 5.0TA was designed, we both liked. Like Jim, losing the truck bed was the trade off as well as the smaller bath.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:02 AM   #15
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Just completing 6 nights in our 19. As said above going from tent camping, the 19 gives us everything we want in a small package. Many who downsize from a larger unit need the room of the 21. Hope you make the right choice for you.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:18 AM   #16
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I think you may find the queen bed a liability vs an asset after using it, particularly in the winter. The queen bed is literally wedged into a double bed space. It is so tight around the perimeter that others have complained about getting the bed linens on. Your best views are normally in the rear, but you will probably keep your blinds drawn. Finally there is the condensation issue of having your bed directly against the exterior walls in 3 locations. The queen mattress needs to be cut smaller to allow air to circulate around the perimeter, otherwise it will sweat.
These reasons are why the bed in the 21, albeit smaller, is better. Basically only one wall is exposed to the outside and if you have it cut 2" smaller, you will have no mold issues.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:27 AM   #17
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That term "personal preference" gets used a lot, but it is so true. Cathy commented that she likes that the curtain keeps the sun out in the morning, while I really like waking up to the sun. For me, those three windows around the bed are great! I love having the view in the morning and when we are in the trailer during the day I'll often read or use my computer on the bed. We eat most meals outside so the view out the front has never been an issue. The storage and the counter space is appealing -- very appealing -- in the 21, but our particular goal was to find the smallest trailer we could get that had a queen size bed. There are times when I wish I didn't need to climb over Terry to get out but for us that is offset by the size.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:30 AM   #18
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Also, I agree with Jim about getting the bed linens on the bed in the 19, but a lot of people have bought bedding that gets rid of the problem. And so far -- knock on wood -- condensation has not been an issue. I think Reace decided to cut an inch off the size of the bed just before we bought our 19.
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Old 01-03-2016, 08:54 AM   #19
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As Ruthe mentions, it's all about personal preference. We have never run into a condensation issue in 70+ nights in our 19. We ALWAYS run the max fan with at least one window open a crack. I have to admit that we had 2 foot itis! For us, we were deciding between the 19 & 17. The 21 was not yet released when we ordered our 19, so that was not a consideration.
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Old 01-03-2016, 09:10 AM   #20
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The comment of the OP's regarding the layout vs size is a very valid one, as being here since the start of both being put into production, I have witnessed many folks who thought the 19 was the one for them based on layout, and some of these folks were swayed to the added space of the 21 only after seeing it.

We too did were not bothered by the climb over, which could be nice. But too be honest, we often did the step over, and started to actually both deal with the middle of the night bathroom trip at the same time. While not these best possible scenario, it was one that we gladly put up with for the bed location.

The mattress in the 19 is not a queen wedged into a double bed space, as other than the curved corners it was a full 60"x90" queen. We never had issue with moisture, likely due to our climate. Making of the bed was only an issue with the fitted sheet, but that only got replaced once a trip most times. When we got the replacement mattress, we did get it 2 " smaller each way, something anyone could do.

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That term "personal preference" gets used a lot, but it is so true. Cathy commented that she likes that the curtain keeps the sun out in the morning, while I really like waking up to the sun. For me, those three windows around the bed are great! I love having the view in the morning and when we are in the trailer during the day I'll often read or use my computer on the bed. We eat most meals outside so the view out the front has never been an issue. The storage and the counter space is appealing -- very appealing -- in the 21, but our particular goal was to find the smallest trailer we could get that had a queen size bed. There are times when I wish I didn't need to climb over Terry to get out but for us that is offset by the size.
Other than never hanging out on the bed, or at the dinette either, this take pretty much parallels mine. I did read in bed just before falling asleep though.

I know it is not for everyone, but for us the best view is not at the rear of the trailer, but is actually in the "living room", thus the reason we prefer to spend our time out there.

My brother just went through the 19 vs 21 thing last year, and it was not just the layout of the 19 that they preferred, they actually ordered it because of the slightly smaller size and weight, and knew from us using it that there was more than enough storage space. They wanted to use their Honda Pilot to tow, or when it needs replacing buy a vehicle of similar sizes, and the 21 was pushing the limits for doing this. They are coming from owning the same tent trailer and three kids for 20 years, and are really looking forward to the convenience and warmth the 19 will afford them.

There is no wrong choice in deciding which model to choose, only ones individual choice that really matters.
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