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08-22-2017, 07:13 PM
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Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Placerville, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19
Posts: 39
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Battery disconnect in storage
Picked up 2017 19 ft in July. Very happy with trailer. Thought I could store the trailer with the battery disconnect in the off position and the 150 watt solar panel on the roof would keep the battery topped off. Went by today to check on trailer and meter for battery read 1/3 charged and voltage read 11.6 volts. Hope I have not damaged the battery. Will the panel charge with the battery disconnect in the off position? I am a newbie so any advice is appreciated. Thanks,
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08-22-2017, 07:29 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Trailer: 2017 Escape 5.0 TA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mquirk
Picked up 2017 19 ft in July. Very happy with trailer. Thought I could store the trailer with the battery disconnect in the off position and the 150 watt solar panel on the roof would keep the battery topped off. Went by today to check on trailer and meter for battery read 1/3 charged and voltage read 11.6 volts. Hope I have not damaged the battery. Will the panel charge with the battery disconnect in the off position? I am a newbie so any advice is appreciated. Thanks,
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I would have thought that the solar charging would not be disconnected. I installed my own solar, and know that the charge is not affected by the disconnect switch. That said, if you store the trailer outside with solar installed, I would not worry a lot about the small amount of drain that might happen when stored and leave the disconnect on.
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08-22-2017, 07:48 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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The way I understand it that the battery disconnect turns off any parasitic drain from on board sensors but allows solar to charge. Turn the switch back on and see what happens. BTW, I have never turned any of my switches off, the parasitic drain is minimal and I'm at 100% daily.
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08-22-2017, 08:47 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Arvada, Colorado
Trailer: 2015 E'21 - 'Velocity'. Tow: Toyota Tacoma V6, 4X4, manual.
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I've been storing my '21 with the battery disconnect in the off position for over 2 years with no problems. I wonder if your solar charging system is working. At the voltage you indicated - 11.6 - you should look at the solar controller and see a minimum of 5 amps being delivered on a sunny day. If possible, use a portable voltmeter you trust to measure the voltage right at the battery terminals. Anything under 12 v means the battery(s) can accept all the amps the panel can make. ( Do this test with no 110v connection, and with no tow vehicle connection, which is likely the situation you have when in storage.) If you get the impression that the solar is not contributing a charge then a call to Escape is indicated.
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08-22-2017, 09:42 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Benton County, Iowa
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I concur with checking the readout on the solar input. Twice when we had the 19'we got home from being on an outing and the controller indicated no voltage going to the batteries. I called the controller people
And he told me to check the dip switches. The stack of red solo cups had hopped around and bumped
Switch #1 to off. Second time I did not have to call, just reset the switches. Told Nigel the story, he smiled and said " Those red solo cups can cause trouble"
Dave
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08-29-2017, 08:13 PM
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Member
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Placerville, California
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19
Posts: 39
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No luck
Turned battery shutoff to on position, battery continued to lower in voltage. I did notice that there was current flowing into the battery from the solar panel. Turned back off and disconnected battery. Because the only thing that is connected to the battery in the off position is the solar panel, I am wondering if the blocking diode in the controller is not working properly. My thinking is at night and when then panel,is in the shade, current is flowing out of the battery. Has anyone else had a problem with the blocking diode with the factory supplied solar panel? Thanks for the above suggestions and any other thoughts.
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08-29-2017, 08:22 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Oswego, New York
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mquirk
Turned battery shutoff to on position, battery continued to lower in voltage. I did notice that there was current flowing into the battery from the solar panel. Turned back off and disconnected battery. Because the only thing that is connected to the battery in the off position is the solar panel, I am wondering if the blocking diode in the controller is not working properly. My thinking is at night and when then panel,is in the shade, current is flowing out of the battery. Has anyone else had a problem with the blocking diode with the factory supplied solar panel? Thanks for the above suggestions and any other thoughts.
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2 things - the blocking takes place in the controller, not the panel (unless you install a blocking diode yourself). The controller does use some battery power when the panels are no longer producing, but it is minimal, and should not pull your battery down.
Also, you should not allow sun to hit the solar panel without a battery connected to the controller (unless you add a switch between the panel & the controller); it can damage the controller - check the GoPower installation manual.
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08-30-2017, 02:32 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Juneau, Alaska
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mquirk,
You didn't mention weather your trailer is stored under cover ... roof over head. As I understand it, when you turn off the battery switch, everything is turned off except the propane detector and it alone can drag your batteries down. I store my trailer in an steel building with roof but no side walls however I have two humongous sun blockers on each side giving me an effective three sided garage. Great weather protection but errant photons have no chance of reaching my panel.
Ist storage session was for 3 months battery switch off.... maximum time I could stay away from my single axel girlfriend ... battery was very low upon my return but batteries came right up after plugging in to the storage electrical outlet.
Second storage session was for 6 months over a winter. Battery switch off and battery cables were disconnected ( and labled). Finding were that my new to me Tacoma had a totally dead battery. Cost in excess $100. Seems my head had bumped the light switch for my canopy and had drained the battery. Trailer battery happy after hooking up to storage 110v outlet for a brief charge.
Current absence, trailer switch off and batteries unhooked. I didn't expect to be gone for another 6 months. Effects ... yet to be discovered.
Next absence: Switch on, batteries hooked up and charged by Battery Tender. Easier ... we'll see ....?
Tom
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08-30-2017, 07:31 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Westcliffe, Colorado
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StarvingHyena
... I understand it, when you turn off the battery switch, everything is turned off except the propane detector and it alone can drag your batteries down. ...
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Tom, In our 2017 21', the storage switch turns off the propane detector, as well. The only thing I can think of that continues to get on-board battery power while the storage switch is turned off is the power jack. Seems like there was something else, but I can't recall right now.
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08-30-2017, 07:41 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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I believe the battery disconnect switch isolates/turns off everything inside the trailer, except the solar will continue to charge the battery. All detectors are off. The power jack, being outside is wired direct to the battery and does not go through the interior electrical system and not impacted by the interior disconnect switch.
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08-30-2017, 12:54 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Upstate, New York
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19 - June 27, 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StarvingHyena
mquirk,
Trailer battery happy after hooking up to storage 110v outlet for a brief charge.
Tom
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Our 19 is in a storage building but at this point I don't have a 30 amp feed wired up to make the shore power connection. Might be a dumb question, but is there any way to connect up to a standard 15 amp receptacle with an extension cord?
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08-30-2017, 12:59 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Westcliffe, Colorado
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rjbny
Our 19 is in a storage building but at this point I don't have a 30 amp feed wired up to make the shore power connection. Might be a dumb question, but is there any way to connect up to a standard 15 amp receptacle with an extension cord?
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Sure. We just use this adapter and a heavy-duty extension cord.
https://www.etrailer.com/RV-Wiring/M...-1530DAVP.html
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08-30-2017, 01:05 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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Yes, you can use adapters available to feed 15 or 20 amp service to your trailer. Mine is plugged in 24/7 to a 15 amp garage circuit. It keeps the batteries and cools down the refrigerator before leaving and in winter operates a 400 watt heater inside. I'm using one of these which I also take with me camping for those times that 30 amps are not needed and I leave the bulkier 30 amp cord in the front box https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Femal...+to+15+adapter
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08-30-2017, 01:30 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Surrey, British Columbia
Trailer: 2013, 17B 'Mini Pearl' and a 2010 Highlander
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I thought that ETI gave everyone one of these adaptors
https://www.etrailer.com/Wiring/Epicord/277-000136.html
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08-30-2017, 01:37 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Beaconsfield, Quebec
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
Yes, you can use adapters available to feed 15 or 20 amp service to your trailer. Mine is plugged in 24/7 to a 15 amp garage circuit. It keeps the batteries and cools down the refrigerator before leaving and in winter operates a 400 watt heater inside. I'm using one of these which I also take with me camping for those times that 30 amps are not needed and I leave the bulkier 30 amp cord in the front box https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Femal...+to+15+adapter
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Do you plug the 400Watt heater directly to one of the trailers plugs or do you plug it to one of the garage's electrical outlets?
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08-30-2017, 02:48 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jxoco
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They do, but you have to use your 30 amp cord set with the one you mention, with the adapter I mention you can use a 15 amp extension, your choice.
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08-30-2017, 02:49 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Miguezc
Do you plug the 400Watt heater directly to one of the trailers plugs or do you plug it to one of the garage's electrical outlets?
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I plug it inside the trailer, no issue.
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Sometime life gets in the way of living.......
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08-30-2017, 02:49 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Juneau, Alaska
Trailer: 2015 17A - Ready for more Maiden Voyages ....
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Quote:
Originally Posted by War Eagle
Tom, In our 2017 21', the storage switch turns off the propane detector, as well. The only thing I can think of that continues to get on-board battery power while the storage switch is turned off is the power jack. Seems like there was something else, but I can't recall right now.
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Thank you Dale,
Perhaps I have a misunderstanding about my battery switch. I thought I read in my owners manual that with the battery switch off, the propane detector would continue to function as a safety feature. My manual is onboard my trailer which is stored some distance away .... I'll check when I can as I want to be sure ... another day .... another lesson ...
Aaaaah thanks Dale for adding another item to my already too long "To Do" list.
Tom
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08-30-2017, 07:16 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Westcliffe, Colorado
Trailer: 2010 EggCamper (#083); 2017 Escape 21 (#053); 2016 F-150 5.0L FX4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jxoco
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As Jim noted, when our camper is in storage, I'd rather run a common extension cord from the house to an adapter located at the camper, exposing it to the daily elements, than run our nice 30 amp cord from the camper to an adapter located at the house, exposing it to the daily elements. But it's a personal choice....
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08-30-2017, 07:58 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Steveston B.C., British Columbia
Trailer: 2012- 17'B.... 2016 Tacoma SR5 TRD
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I think as with lead acid batteries only have X amount of usable Led and zinc .so do solar panels . Maybe it's best to rest them while in storage by covering them and give them a rest.
I don't think they run at100% for ever ? Unless there built by NASSA .
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