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Old 07-04-2019, 08:03 PM   #1
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Just Curious: Soft Walls?

Our 2010 17B has soft walls, as if they are cushioned. It has the insulation package. Is this the insulation? If not, where did they put the insulation?
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:08 PM   #2
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That is the insulation. 3/8 inch foam.
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:11 PM   #3
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The extra insulation is between the vinyl/foam material and the fibreglass shell.
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Old 07-04-2019, 08:20 PM   #4
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What's a 'wall'? The external walls or some wall on the inside? The external shell is covered with vinyl covered foam. Not a 'wall,' if you're thinking some sort of frame work. When folks are working on their 'build sheets' individually we can decide whether internal 'walls' are reinforced with MORE. Ten Forward was built with five internal 'walls' reinforced.

Please let us know exactly what you are thinking when you say a 'wall.'
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This should help answer your question.
Thermal window / insulation package
Post 3 by tdf_texas has a cross sectional picture with a good explanation.

Edit- Since your trailer is a 2010, if you have the “extra” insulation it is likely reflectix instead of the white foam insulation shown in the picture.
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This should help answer your question.
Thermal window / insulation package
Post 3 by tdf_texas has a cross sectional picture with a good explanation.

Edit- Since your trailer is a 2010, if you have the “extra” insulation it is likely reflectix instead of the white foam insulation shown in the picture.
Those are Jim Bennett's fingers - he originally posted the picture.
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:42 AM   #7
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I meant the internal surface of the shell itself, not walls such as the bath walls. Your comment raises another question I have, though. In an older trailer without specification on a build sheet how can one tell if any of the walls have been reinforced? Just a 'thump test'? If one specifies that a wall be reinforced do they reinforce the entire wall or only the part of it one designates for a tv mount or the like?
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I meant the internal surface of the shell itself, not walls such as the bath walls. Your comment raises another question I have, though. In an older trailer without specification on a build sheet how can one tell if any of the walls have been reinforced? Just a 'thump test'? If one specifies that a wall be reinforced do they reinforce the entire wall or only the part of it one designates for a tv mount or the like?
Yes, the thumb test works. I can push on the interior walls that aren't reinforced and the pressure bends the paneling in. The reinforced walls in Ten Forward don't move at all.
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In an older trailer without specification on a build sheet how can one tell if any of the walls have been reinforced?
Mike: Your trailer being a 2010 dates back to a time where reinforcing walls was not as prevalent as it seems to be today. That fact combined with no mention on the build sheet means your walls are not reinforced. All is not lost though. If you want to mount something you can try using a stud finder to locate cross bracing. To mount a couple of Umbra hooks very securely I've even used toggle bolt anchors with the wings ground down partially to fit within the small wall cavity. This was after 3M VHB didn't work out well (maybe I had the wrong type?).

Old build pictures of classic 17's posted on the forum will also help you get a feel for how your internal walls are constructed. Here's some:
Build pictures 17B
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How does the reinforced construction differ from the nonreinforced construction and what is the weight difference?
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How does the reinforced construction differ from the nonreinforced construction and what is the weight difference?
The reinforcement is a plywood panel filling the space which would normally be empty, between the panels of cabinet walls; the wood framing of the cabinets is not changed. The weight difference is just the weight of the plywood.
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