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11-06-2018, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by trainman
Picking up our new 2019 1500 Ram 4x4 today, it does come with a full size spare, but the tire and wheel are equal quality of whats on the truck, but not the same as what's (factory tires and wheels) on the truck...
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I would check the exact tire specifications, which unfortunately do not appear to be in the owner's manual.
The 2019 Ram 1500 manual contains this:
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Towing Requirements — Tires
• Do not attempt to tow a trailer while using a compact spare tire.
• Do not drive more than 50 mph (80 km/h) when towing while using a full size spare tire
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This implies that there are two possible sizes of spare tire ("compact" and "full size") which are different from the regular tires on the truck. The one which is full-sized may still be of different construction from the regular tires, resulting in the speed limitation.
The sticker (usually on the driver's door jamb) which provides tire inflation pressures should list the spare tire... but of course the spec can just be read from tire sidewall.
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11-06-2018, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
The Ram sits so high that the stock jack would not lift the truck high enough off the ground to change the tire.
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I was surprised to see, on my F250 you are supposed to put the supplied bottle jack under the axle near the wheel you're changing, rather than lift the frame.
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11-06-2018, 06:08 PM
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I seriously doubt if the guy driving the truck in the above photo/video cares one wit about hauling lumber or road stability. He paid a lot of money for a ride that screams "LOOK AT ME!", and I bet he's a very satisfied owner.
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11-06-2018, 06:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz
I was surprised to see, on my F250 you are supposed to put the supplied bottle jack under the axle near the wheel you're changing, rather than lift the frame.
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Unless the tire is pushed so far up into the wheel well that it is difficult to get out and back in, that's a logical method. It avoids the problem that Jim described with jack travel, and keeps the truck lower for stability.
The 2019 Ram 1500 owner's manual says to jack up on the suspension for tire changing, both front (under a specific area of the lower control arm) and rear (at a specific point on the axle).
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Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
The Ram sits so high that the stock jack would not lift the truck high enough off the ground to change the tire.
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The 2014 procedure appears to be the same as for 2019. Jim, are you jacking on the suspension, and still having to lift the truck significantly? Particularly at the rear, it will only take a couple of inches to get the tire out of contact with the ground.
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11-06-2018, 06:12 PM
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Our "full size spare", temporary use tire was on an 18" wheel and the truck has 18" wheels. But when I went to buy a regular tire for the spare, I found that the spare wheel was narrower and wouldn't accommodate the same size tire as those on the truck so I wound up having to buy both a new wheel and new spare tire....sigh.
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11-06-2018, 06:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz
I was surprised to see, on my F250 you are supposed to put the supplied bottle jack under the axle near the wheel you're changing, rather than lift the frame.
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What Jim said (too much travel in the suspension for a standard jack), plus I'm guessing the axle housing on the F-250 SuperDuty is beefy enough to handle it, or the manufacturer wouldn't recommend it - or so I'm guessing.
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11-06-2018, 06:25 PM
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Actually I tried to use the jack under the frame which did not work so I got the jack that will raise with a bigger operating range.
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11-06-2018, 06:34 PM
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read your owners manual. its got very specific instructions for the factory scissors jack.
if you have the air leveling suspension, you first disable that. then, after blocking the diagonally opposite tire front and rear, you jack the wheel from the suspension just inboard of the wheel (pictures showing front and rear jacking locations)
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11-06-2018, 06:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by War Eagle
... I'm guessing the axle housing on the F-250 SuperDuty is beefy enough to handle it, or the manufacturer wouldn't recommend it - or so I'm guessing.
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So is every pickup truck axle housing... which is why the Ram 1500 manual says specifically to jack on the axle, not the frame.
The procedure is to jack on the axle nearly under the spring, not the middle of the axle, so it puts very little bending load on the axle housing... less than when the truck is just sitting on its tires.
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11-06-2018, 06:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
Actually I tried to use the jack under the frame which did not work so I got the jack that will raise with a bigger operating range.
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Why not just use the provided jack and follow the instructions from the manufacturer of the truck?
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11-06-2018, 06:58 PM
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Interesting, when I take the truck to Ram dealer for service, all their lifts lift the frame, from between the wheel wells.
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11-06-2018, 07:05 PM
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I note that the owner's manuals for the 2018 Ford F-150, 2014 GMC Sierra, 2017 Chevrolet Colorado, 2017 Toyota Tundra, and 2016 Nissan Titan (the latest years I happen to have on file in each case) also say that to change a rear tire, the jack goes under the axle housing (near the wheel, not in the middle). There's nothing odd about the Ram procedure. I suspect that a lot of owners of pickups (of any brand) have never looked in their manual, and are using their jack incorrectly.
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11-06-2018, 07:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
Interesting, when I take the truck to Ram dealer for service, all their lifts lift the frame, from between the wheel wells.
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Yes, but they're not lifting one corner slightly; they're raising the entire vehicle on a lift, way off the ground. It's a very different situation, calling for different equipment and a different procedure.
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11-06-2018, 08:58 PM
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New 2019 Ram 1500 4x4 Big Horn/Lone Star Edition, GVWR 7200, 5.7 HEMI, Trailer Tow Package, max towing 8300 lbs., other options.
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11-06-2018, 09:52 PM
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The 2019 Ram 1500 brochure indicates that all trim levels except the Rebel get a "Full-size spare temporary-use", but the Rebel plus any other truck with the right package (which appears to be the "4x4 Off-Road Group") gets a spare which is not described as "temporary-use". The spare's size is not specified in either case.
The Off-Road Group contains lots of other good stuff as well for US$795, but also requires the US$1200 "Level 1" equipment package.
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11-06-2018, 09:59 PM
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Back to the original subject of payload capacity, it appears from the chart in the brochure that only one variant of the 2019 Ram 1500 has less than 1600 pounds of payload capacity, and that's the 2WD with the 3.6L V6 engine and lowest GVWR package, which no one is likely to choose for towing. This is a nice change from the previous model.
On the related subject of trailer weight rating, every variant seems to have enough capacity for any Escape, and any variant with the either of the V8 engine choices will have enough capacity for any Escape even while carrying the full allowed payload in the truck. Again, good to see.
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11-07-2018, 06:00 AM
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"Full-size spare temporary-use", what a play on words, like genuine imitation leather
trying to fool people that what they are getting is the real thing!!
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11-07-2018, 07:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian B-P
Back to the original subject of payload capacity, it appears from the chart in the brochure that only one variant of the 2019 Ram 1500 has less than 1600 pounds of payload capacity, and that's the 2WD with the 3.6L V6 engine and lowest GVWR package, which no one is likely to choose for towing. This is a nice change from the previous model.
On the related subject of trailer weight rating, every variant seems to have enough capacity for any Escape, and any variant with the either of the V8 engine choices will have enough capacity for any Escape even while carrying the full allowed payload in the truck. Again, good to see.
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As with all trucks, though, the payload weights listed in the brochures are just a "best case" starting point for a truck with essentially no optional equipment. Every option adds weight and reduces the payload capacity - I have seen Ram Limiteds with payloads of only 1,200 pounds. I specifically ordered my truck with that in mind and wound up with a payload of over 1,800 pounds - but each truck will be different and it can be very instructive to check out the door jamb payload rating stickers when looking at trucks on a dealer lot.
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11-07-2018, 07:56 AM
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Ram got a lot of grief on their payload numbers and the 2019 redesign advertisement spin was an increase in payload. I suspect this was a 20-30 lbs. savings and increase in payload number. I looked at a F-150 Ford and the large fuel tank put a dent in the payload number.
Eddie
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11-07-2018, 08:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elongest
Ram got a lot of grief on their payload numbers and the 2019 redesign advertisement spin was an increase in payload. I suspect this was a 20-30 lbs. savings and increase in payload number. I looked at a F-150 Ford and the large fuel tank put a dent in the payload number.
Eddie
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The large fuel tank (the weight of the fuel counts against payload) was the biggest item reducing my payload from the chart rating of 1,960. Ram definitely added a couple of hundred pounds to their payload capacity with the 2019 redesign...but they also added a lot of luxury items to the high end trims. Probably most people aren't towing regularly with the luxury trims, and you can now get a fairly basic truck with a reasonably good payload, so I guess there's something for everyone.
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