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Old 09-15-2018, 01:36 PM   #21
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Old 09-15-2018, 05:27 PM   #22
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yeah, we turned DOWN the 19 due to the crosswise bed, we do NOT want to be climbing over each other in the middle of the night. I *like* the rear dinette. and the kitchen area in the 19 seemed more cramped than the 21 with the huge fridge across from the oven+stove, etc.
This is exactly why we went for the 21 in our upgrade.
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Old 09-16-2018, 12:27 AM   #23
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We also love our 21 layout. When one of us gets up earlier or stays up later, the lounge area in the back is perfect as the slight Fridge wall blocks out the captain light in the corner. And love having the bathroom right beside the bed. ��
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Old 09-16-2018, 06:23 AM   #24
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How about a two-story Escape 19 with a spiral staircase? Maybe a balcony?
And slide outs Glenn if you don’t have at least three you aren’t camping these days.
With a total weight of 1700 lbs. so we can Tow with the Nissan Rogue. Dream big
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:34 PM   #25
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But I believe a far more popular option would be to leave the 19 dinette and kitchen spaces "as is" and use the extra 2' to change the rear queen into an Oliver style twin bed setup. Might be wrong, but given the number of Escape owners with varying degrees of mobility issues I think an Oliver option would be a hit.

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I’d go with twin beds in a heart beat, especially in a 23 foot escape. It would be the only reason we would give up our 21. I wonder if 23 ft would be to long to be structurely sound in a single wall Fiberglass trailer? All the longer ones, Oliver and Bigfoot are double wall units.
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Old 09-17-2018, 10:59 AM   #26
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We had a 19 and now have a 21, for us the 21 works very well, that being said, everything comes with a compromise , the queen bed in the 19 is the best I have ever slept in a trailer, it was cozy and spacious, the smaller than double in the 21 is a compromise but its very nice not having to climb over in the middle of the night. My other observations are the furnace in our 21 is under the dinette seat and it sucks, as on a cool night the front of the trailer especially the bathroom are very cold, this has been fixed with the new furnace location on newer 21"s. I also wish the main electrical switch was in better location. in the very back side corner on the dinette bench is horrible with the table down as ours always is . Same goes for the inverter switch. If these are the biggest issues with a trailer I think we are doing pretty well.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:13 AM   #27
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My other observations are the furnace in our 21 is under the dinette seat and it sucks, as on a cool night the front of the trailer especially the bathroom are very cold, this has been fixed with the new furnace location on newer 21"s. I also wish the main electrical switch was in better location. in the very back side corner on the dinette bench is horrible with the table down as ours always is . Same goes for the inverter switch. If these are the biggest issues with a trailer I think we are doing pretty well.
If I ever got a chance to redesign the 21 interior the door side would be dead easy, it would stay "as is" but with 2' more counter space.

The driver's side would get an alcove for a Dickinson Alaska floor mounted diesel heater. Nothing like that quiet cheery heat to make the interior warm and cozy on cold miserable days.

And the panel location, oh boy, dead easy on that one. On a wall, several feet off the floor where you can operate it and see it without going down on your knees. I've done that on boats and there's no reason that it can't be done in a trailer.

Well, I can dream.

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Old 09-17-2018, 11:42 AM   #28
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We had a 19 and now have a 21... If these are the biggest issues with a trailer I think we are doing pretty well.
Have not seen you on the forum for some time Dave, have you been hibernating?
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:49 AM   #29
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If I ever got a chance to redesign the 21 interior the door side would be dead easy, it would stay "as is" but with 2' more counter space.

The driver's side would get an alcove for a Dickinson Alaska floor mounted diesel heater. Nothing like that quiet cheery heat to make the interior warm and cozy on cold miserable days.

And the panel location, oh boy, dead easy on that one. On a wall, several feet off the floor where you can operate it and see it without going down on your knees. I've done that on boats and there's no reason that it can't be done in a trailer.

Well, I can dream.

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Agree Ron . Also how about all electronics not under the table but up higher , easier to read and not requiring you to get down under table on knees Pat
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:55 AM   #30
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Have not seen you on the forum for some time Dave, have you been hibernating?
I was wondering the same thing. Good to see Dave again though.
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Old 09-17-2018, 11:56 AM   #31
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Yup, and grouped on one panel, not spread all over.

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Old 09-17-2018, 11:59 AM   #32
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Yup, and grouped on one panel, not spread all over.

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Really like that idea Pat
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:24 PM   #33
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I also wish the main electrical switch was in better location. in the very back side corner on the dinette bench is horrible...

Hi, Dave. If you’re referring to the battery isolator switch, I must respectfully disagree, as this should normally only be used when the trailer is put into or taken out of storage, thus having it well out of the way, where it’s less likely to be accidentally flipped, is a design benefit in my view.

Agree that I t would be nice to have the main panel off the floor.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:42 PM   #34
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We had a 19 and now have a 21, for us the 21 works very well, that being said, everything comes with a compromise , the queen bed in the 19 is the best I have ever slept in a trailer, it was cozy and spacious, the smaller than double in the 21 is a compromise but its very nice not having to climb over in the middle of the night.....
a US Double is 53x76, while a queen is 60x80. the 21's bed is 54x80, which is queen length albeit 6 inches narrower than a regular queen.... The 80" length something my 6' long body with size 12 feet requires. at home, I sleep in a cal king, which is 72x84, but you're not getting a 6x9 foot bed in any sane size fiberglass RV.
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Old 09-17-2018, 12:52 PM   #35
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With Escape production increasing, there are some "economies of scale" put in place in order to standardize certain items to increase efficiency. Thus standardized locations of electrical and other items is a necessity and as a result of increased production.
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Old 09-17-2018, 01:09 PM   #36
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Yup, and grouped on one panel, not spread all over.

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Like this monstrosity Red Dog received when he tried to order an itty bitty panel?


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Old 09-17-2018, 01:40 PM   #37
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Hi, Dave. If you’re referring to the battery isolator switch, I must respectfully disagree, as this should normally only be used when the trailer is put into or taken out of storage, thus having it well out of the way, where it’s less likely to be accidentally flipped, is a design benefit in my view.
I have to respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement.

We often turn off the electrical system for various reasons. A battery selector switch like this, whether for one battery or two, like mine, is accessible, easy to operate and not likely to ever be accidentally operated.

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I have to respectfully disagree with your respectful disagreement.



We often turn off the electrical system for various reasons. A battery selector switch like this, whether for one battery or two, like mine, is accessible, easy to operate and not likely to ever be accidentally operated.



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I offer a friendly counter that yours is a special case, Ron, and that my statement stands for standard, factory-installed equipment employed in “normal” usage, if there is such a thing [emoji6]
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Old 09-17-2018, 02:09 PM   #39
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With solar I have rarely shut the disconnect off since the trailer was new and only when working on something. I am happy with where it is placed.

The only other two items under the dinette are the EMS readout which I can see from a standing position just fine, and the converter/panel which though inconvenient on those rare occasions I need to use it, is nicely out of the way and not taking up space elsewhere.
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I have never operated that switch but once in 6 years of use.
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