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Old 04-19-2023, 08:56 PM   #61
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Take your time and check the nuts after towing a few miles. Do not Lubricate the nuts or the wheel studs. But do make sure they are free of grit and dry.

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Ditto. Torque specs are for dry, clean threads.
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Old 04-19-2023, 09:39 PM   #62
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**throwing up hands in exasperation **
As my mentoring engineer told me "you can try to fight Mother-Nature (laws of physics) , but at some point, she's going to bitch slap you".

If wheels are coming off, it's simply because the stud tension wasn't high enough (Sure proper torque was used, but here or there friction was high thus tension was low, which means lugnuts can loosen more easily). This is the laws of physics. There is no way around it. Use some lubricate, torque the lugnuts, everyone's now safer.
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Old 04-19-2023, 10:54 PM   #63
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Kinda............but no.

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............... There is no way around it. Use some lubricate, torque the lugnuts, everyone's now safer.

Dry torque specs are usually excessive for lubed applications.......
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Old 04-20-2023, 12:29 AM   #64
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Cool IMO the topic has been exhausted (by all parties)

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**throwing up hands in exasperation **
Maybe, just maybe, it's time for everyone to recognize
  • you've all stated and restated your points, clearly and vigorously
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  • others may exercise their own prerogatives contrary to yours
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  • there's really no benefit for anyone in continuing to flog this topic
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Just for everyone's consideration
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Old 04-20-2023, 10:09 AM   #65
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Maybe, just maybe, it's time for everyone to recognize
  • you've all stated and restated your points, clearly and vigorously
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  • others may exercise their own prerogatives contrary to yours
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  • there's really no benefit for anyone in continuing to flog this topic
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Just for everyone's consideration

Ya but but but I havenít given my opinion yet!
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Old 04-20-2023, 10:17 AM   #66
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It says right on the container of NAPA anti-seize to put it on lug nuts. Who would know better than them?
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Red face ignoring my own suggestion...

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It says right on the container of NAPA anti-seize to put it on lug nuts. Who would know better than them?
FWIW the following excerpts are clipped verbatim (I added the bold highlight for this post) from the Genuine Ford Workshop Manual provided to all Ford Dealers for use in their service facilities and available to the public for a subscription fee or purchase on a CD ROM disc (a PDF of the complete procedure is attached):

2022 F-150
Procedure revision date: 10/2/2020
204-04A Wheels and Tires
Removal and Installation
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WARNING: When a wheel is installed, always remove any corrosion, dirt or foreign material present on the mounting surface of the wheel and the mounting surface of the wheel hub, brake drum or brake disc. Make sure that any fasteners that attach the rotor to the hub are secured so they do not interfere with the mounting surfaces of the wheel. Failure to follow these instructions when installing wheels may result in the wheel nuts loosening and the wheel coming off while the vehicle is in motion, which could result in loss of control, leading to serious injury or death to vehicle occupant(s).

NOTICE: Make sure to apply a thin coat of anti-seize lubrication only to the interface between the wheel pilot bore and the hub pilot. Do not allow the anti-seize to make contact with the wheel-to-brake disc/drum mounting surface, wheel studs, wheel nuts, brake pads or brake disc friction surfaces or damage to components may occur.
.....

NOTE: The wheel nut torque specification is for clean, dry wheel stud and wheel nut threads.
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Gee, I dunno .... NAPA or the vehicle manufacturer ..... I guess ya go with whatever makes ya feel good
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Old 04-20-2023, 01:49 PM   #68
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Centex, Honestly, thank you for your informed input on the many topics you respond to on this forum.

My comment on NAPA anti seize was meant to be tongue in cheek since they obviously have a skin in the game. Not that they are being deceptive....we depend on a lot of labels to guide our practices.

Personally, I use red threadlocker or nothing. Over and out.
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