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Old 03-08-2018, 09:19 AM   #21
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A friend of ours just ordered his 4th new 5th wheeler in 10 years.
WHY ? , beats me but he always has a list of thing he doesn't like about his present trailer .
I am sure that there are things that people don't like about Oliver's
or Escape or Casita or Scamp or Big Foot or ETC.
It doesn't mean any of them are inferior only different and each appeals to a different set of consummers.
I would expect that a comparison chart drawn up by Oliver would be tilted toward Oliver.
Their is no one trailer that is perfect for everyone and if the only objection you have to an item is its' price then the product probably is pretty good.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:39 AM   #22
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They also say the 21' has "Tandem 3000 lb. axles w/rubber torsion suspension". Also not accurate...

This just speaks to outdated information. The early 21's did have dual 3000# torsion axles.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:47 AM   #23
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I guess they had to compare Airstream to give some justification to their price even though it is Apples and Oranges in my mind. Would have liked to see the Big Foot on the list at least.
Always wondered how you fix water leaks from pipes, or etc in between the two shells of an Oliver.
Having had a Boler years ago I did not expect so much wood in an Escape.
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Old 03-08-2018, 10:57 AM   #24
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I shipped 2 fabrics to Escape (the valances have a different fabric) and ordered the different formica as an option. There were fees for both customizations but well worth it in my opinion. If I ever get another Escape I might change the flooring as well.
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Old 03-08-2018, 12:15 PM   #25
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I don't consider the interior of our Escape to be dark at all. Our Escape has way more interior lighting than we have ever needed to use at one time, and with the window shades up during the day, there is plenty of natural light even without the electric lights. Maybe in 25 yrs or so when the interior of my 19' starts to get a little worn, I may also decide to go with a lighter color for the woodwork. Until then, I will be more than happy with the light oak color that I have.
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Old 03-08-2018, 01:19 PM   #26
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They also say the 21' has "Tandem 3000 lb. axles w/rubber torsion suspension". Also not accurate...

But as Dave explained it was. The load rating (determined by the length of rubber rods in the suspension) has been changed by Escape; while it is apparently 3500 pounds in the current 21', it was 3000 pounds for the 21' and 2500 pounds for the 19'. The table really should have a date on it.

Also inaccurate is the term "torsion" in the suspension description, but that's a normal industry practice - Dexter even encourages it by calling the product "Torflex", and so Escape follows suit, currently listing "Tandem 3500lb Torsion Rubber Ride Suspension" for the 21'.
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Old 03-08-2018, 01:27 PM   #27
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I guess they had to compare Airstream to give some justification to their price even though it is Apples and Oranges in my mind. Would have liked to see the Big Foot on the list at least.
Always wondered how you fix water leaks from pipes, or etc in between the two shells of an Oliver.
Having had a Boler years ago I did not expect so much wood in an Escape.
Although the most familiar interior for a Boler ( or Trillium 1300, or Boler 1300 copy such as Scamp) is the classic fiberglass furnishings look, most 17' Bolers and many other trailers of the era had entirely wood-and-panelling interiors... including mine.

During the aborted collaborative effort between Escape Trailer Industries and Tom Young's Trillium RV, ETI was to build Escapes with wood cabinets and Trilliums with fiberglass cabinets in the same shells.
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Old 03-09-2018, 09:16 AM   #28
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I don't consider the interior of our Escape to be dark at all. Our Escape has way more interior lighting than we have ever needed to use at one time, and with the window shades up during the day, there is plenty of natural light even without the electric lights. Maybe in 25 yrs or so when the interior of my 19' starts to get a little worn, I may also decide to go with a lighter color for the woodwork. Until then, I will be more than happy with the light oak color that I have.
As people age they need more and more light to see and focus.
The light oak cabinets in an Escape probably are not a visual impairment for someone in your age bracket ( Younger ). For older folks the cabinets may seem dark so one option is to increase the light levels or to paint the cabinets white.
When we built our cabin 30 years ago my wife complained that there was too much light now she complains it's dark .
The building didn't change, we did !!
Escape's choice of light oak is a good compromise IMHO
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Old 03-09-2018, 09:28 AM   #29
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facebook?

Is anyone on Facebook? ETI has posted some pretty cool shots of custom interiors they have done.
https://www.facebook.com/EscapeOwnerX3/

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Old 03-09-2018, 09:37 AM   #30
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I saw that, Steve. Quite a nice diverse selection of folks good taste.
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Old 03-09-2018, 12:12 PM   #31
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Is your trim white or cream, I like the look and we are also going with a lighter counter top.

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I felt the same way and made it work for us by using a marble look Formica on the counters and creamy white ultra leather for my seat cushions. I will try to post a pic


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Old 03-10-2018, 12:40 PM   #32
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Is your trim white or cream, I like the look and we are also going with a lighter counter top.


The table trim is white. I look forward to seeing what you end up with!


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