Gumption trap.....

[RBRV]

Hopefully the loose wire theory proves true. It seems most likely.

[DanandDaphne]

Originally Posted by MarkinVan

A spare pump sounds like a good practice.

I'm curious about connectors. Wanting to add an accumulator.

It would be a spare part you would probably never use, These pumps last decades and are very reliable.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by MarkinVan

A spare pump sounds like a good practice.

I'm curious about connectors. Wanting to add an accumulator.

I didn't have to mess with any connectors when installing an accumulator in my 19. Black object on left side of photo. As you can see they use crimped butt connectors.

If I had to remove or replace the pump I'd use spade connectors to make re&re easy.

Ron

[DGLP]

Originally Posted by DanandDaphne

It would be a spare part you would probably never use, These pumps last decades and are very reliable.

I would not guarantee that anything would last decades, particularly an item that involves electrical and mechanical components.

[DGLP]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

I didn't have to mess with any connectors when installing an accumulator in my 19. Black object on left side of photo. As you can see they use crimped butt connectors.

If I had to remove or replace the pump I'd use spade connectors to make re&re easy.

Ron

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

I didn't have to mess with any connectors when installing an accumulator in my 19. Black object on left side of photo. As you can see they use crimped butt connectors.

If I had to remove or replace the pump I'd use spade connectors to make re&re easy.

Ron

Good idea, Ron. Doing so would certainly make life easier. I would not bet that a device such as a pump, which incorporates electrical and mechanical components, would last for years. As evidenced in numerous discussions on this forum, "stuff fails" and it seems the onus is often on the individual who purchases the trailer to remediate faults and failures.

In regards to the fittings used for the pump and associated hardware, the issue I have encountered seems to be mixing fittings with NPT ("tapered") and NPSM ("straight mechanical") threads. Male NPSM threads are not compatible with female NPT threads based upon some of the literature I have read. I had an interesting discussion with Shurflo in regards to this matter.

The fittings on products advertised in the Shurflo online catalogue vary between NPSM and NPT. For example, the water strainer used by Escape in our 21 NE has female NPT threads that connect to the inlet pump port, which has male NPSM threads. A proposed solution from Shurflo in order to obtain an adequate seal is to use Teflon tape on the male NPSM threads on the pump ports. To determine what's what, I had to dig quite a bit online in order to determine the specifications on items such as this:

Swivel Nut Water Strainer (D)
255-225
(255-325)
Easy Assembly. Keeps Debris Out of Pump.
Easy to See When Strainer Needs
Cleaning. 50 Mesh Stainless Steel Screen 1/2” [13mm]

In doing any maintenance or upgrades on this trailer, I hope to minimize risk and maximize longevity, particularly in matters involving components related to safety and day-to-day needs. I cannot do without brakes that work dependably, water that is readily available and reliable heat and power.

Any thoughts on combining fittings with NPT and NPSM threads?

[DGLP]

Nice installation, Ron. I see you installed the pump with the motor oriented right-side up. Mine was installed upside down. Water from the pump assembly would leak down into the motor if a seal failed.

What fittings did you use? I see some copper pipe connecting to the PEX. Plywood mount for the accumulator? I was comparing with Eggscape's setup. He used two T-straps to mount his accumulator.

[Ron in BC]

To be honest I've been using brass fittings for air, hydraulic and plumbing work for so long that it doesn't even register for a nanosecond on my brain what's needed. I just reach into a bin and grab the fitting. The 19 was done a long time ago.

Different installation in the 21. Fittings are visible.

Ron

[cpaharley2008]

There appears to be an Escape Rally red/white bag in your photo, I have one here also, some schwag handed out at prior rallies.....

[Ron in BC]

Yes it is along with cap, T shirt and fleece and the folding cooler that they handed out this year. Sometimes I feel like a walking ETI ad.

Ron

[DGLP]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

To be honest I've been using brass fittings for air, hydraulic and plumbing work for so long that it doesn't even register for a nanosecond on my brain what's needed. I just reach into a bin and grab the fitting. The 19 was done a long time ago.

Different installation in the 21. Fittings are visible.

Ron

Ron, those braided hoses are the ticket. Where did you get them? The braided steel brake lines on my old Kawasaki almost pale in comparison to those. Please bring your bin to the Rally in the Valley!

[Ron in BC]

Probably at Home Depot. Standard item for hooking up a faucet.

Ron

[cpaharley2008]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

Yes it is along with cap, T shirt and fleece and the folding cooler that they handed out this year. Sometimes I feel like a walking ETI ad.

Ron

Somehow I missed the free stuff at the rally....

[DanandDaphne]

Did you get your water pump working yet?

[cpaharley2008]

Originally Posted by DanandDaphne

Did you get your water pump working yet?

No, I purchased a hand pump in order to winterize and waiting on Escape to determine if they will be sending me another one. but they are closed until Monday.

[diannelgraham]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

No, I purchased a hand pump in order to winterize and waiting on Escape to determine if they will be sending me another one. but they are closed until Monday.

I'm very interested to see if they do send a replacement versus making you go direct to the pump manufacturer for a warranty replacement as all of other posts I've seen on defective pumps.

[Ron in BC]

Originally Posted by diannelgraham

I'm very interested to see if they do send a replacement versus making you go direct to the pump manufacturer for a warranty replacement as all of other posts I've seen on defective pumps.

I had a defective "old style" kitchen faucet and they replaced it with a new style one without me having to deal with the manufacturer.

Jim, did you test for voltage right at the pump?

Ron

[diannelgraham]

Originally Posted by Ron in BC

I had a defective "old style" kitchen faucet and they replaced it with a new style one without me having to deal with the manufacturer.

Jim, did you test for voltage right at the pump?

Ron

I'm sure Jim will report on the out come

[cpaharley2008]

Yes, there is voltage at the pump, which leads me to believe the pump is defective......

[scubarx]

Originally Posted by DanandDaphne

It would be a spare part you would probably never use, These pumps last decades and are very reliable.

Until they don't. WHEN you do need a spare pump, I guarantee that:


- You will not be at home so as to be able to search for the best price and have it delivered to the house and install it at your leisure.


- You will have to search high and low for a replacement and when you find one it will cost a lot more than at Amazon.


- You may find yourself without all the necessary tools and easy access to any other miscellaneous parts you may need.


- You should carry the spare.

[DanandDaphne]

Originally Posted by scubarx

Until they don't. WHEN you do need a spare pump, I guarantee that:


- You will not be at home so as to be able to search for the best price and have it delivered to the house and install it at your leisure.


- You will have to search high and low for a replacement and when you find one it will cost a lot more than at Amazon.


- You may find yourself without all the necessary tools and easy access to any other miscellaneous parts you may need.


- You should carry the spare.

I guess you missed that I said Probably won't need. Yes I know anything mechanical can fail. And I never said you should or shouldn't anything.

This is from my own personal experience. I lived full time in first a school bus conversion then a travel trailer for over 20 years no hookups. In all that time I never had to repair or replace a sureflow pump.

What's your experience with these pumps?

I will not be buying a spare, thank you.

YOU should carry a spare if that's what YOU want to do.