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Old 10-14-2016, 12:28 PM   #1
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We are in the market for a new car for my wife, with plans to buy a 19 next year. This will be her daily driver around town with our baby and she wants something that isn't huge and trucky in the city. We are going to be test driving over the next month or two and shopping year end deals. I am looking for input on towing, especially over the passes here in WA. Currently the top 3 are the highlander, pilot and sorento. We are also looking at lightly used MDX and ML350 diesel. Has anyone towed with more than one of these to be able to compare? I worry about the tongue rating on the sorento, because it isn't clear if it is 350 or 500 lbs but I like the size. Is the mdx worth the upgrade over the pilot? I worry about the ML350 electronics and how it will hold up with lots of short trips, but it seems like it would tow the best.
I have driven a grand cherokee and an explorer and did not like either. The new traverse could be a consideration as well, but I trust toytoa/honda quality more than gm. We don't want to go to a bigger truck based vehicle, I would rather pack light on trips than have to deal with one of those day to day.
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Old 10-14-2016, 12:52 PM   #2
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We are in the market for a new car for my wife, with plans to buy a 19 next year. This will be her daily driver around town with our baby and she wants something that isn't huge and trucky in the city. We are going to be test driving over the next month or two and shopping year end deals. I am looking for input on towing, especially over the passes here in WA. Currently the top 3 are the highlander, pilot and sorento. We are also looking at lightly used MDX and ML350 diesel. Has anyone towed with more than one of these to be able to compare? I worry about the tongue rating on the sorento, because it isn't clear if it is 350 or 500 lbs but I like the size. Is the mdx worth the upgrade over the pilot? I worry about the ML350 electronics and how it will hold up with lots of short trips, but it seems like it would tow the best.
I have driven a grand cherokee and an explorer and did not like either. The new traverse could be a consideration as well, but I trust toytoa/honda quality more than gm. We don't want to go to a bigger truck based vehicle, I would rather pack light on trips than have to deal with one of those day to day.
We towed our 17' Casita deluxe with our 2011 MDX and it was a fantastic tug for us.

and a wonderful daily driver. Drives way better than a midsized SUV should.

our trusted mechanic highly recommended it, for reliability and comfort and performance.

I think it is a lot nicer than a Pilot.

we'll tow our forthcoming 2017 (with the fancy WDH from ETI) and we'll know how it does.... and I'll report back.

we travel light, i bought a tongue scale for making sure tongue weight is correct.... and quite a few people here have towed a 21' with somewhat similar HP + torque + capacity SUVs and reported back that it is fine.

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The usual lowest rate that AAA, costco or the dealers will offer is $500 above "dealer invoice" for a new car.
However there are always internal kickbacks and bonuses that are hidden in the car dealer system. (Just read consumer reports magazine for this info)

David was able to get us $750 LESS THAN dealer invoice on our new SUV. He admits that was an exceptionally good deal but it gives some indication.

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Old 10-14-2016, 01:32 PM   #3
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Suggest you google "invoice prices" or read this CBC story.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/car-...cing-1.2601437
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Suggest you google "invoice prices" or read this CBC story.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/car-...cing-1.2601437

Not sure if you are suggesting that the original poster Sailor 231 or I read that article... but yes, I myself am well aware that "dealer invoice" $ numbers are largely a sham, as there are all sorts of kickbacks and incentives going on, behind the scenes, at the dealerships.

Which is, in my opinion, why a good car broker in either Canada or the USA is all the more valuable.

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Plus David deals with loans, but without markup. The dealers ALWAYS mark up the loans, in a hidden way. Again - it is the actual bank that does the loan for us, not david. He just finds the best deal.
And, David makes money on the loan through a kickback from the lending agency, just as the dealer sells a loan to a lending agency. In any event, you are paying a fee, buried in your loan payments.
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Old 10-14-2016, 02:40 PM   #6
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Car dealer friend told me long ago that if we sold you the car we got you. It is just all relative of "how much" the got you is. Some buyers that pay sticker subsidize the one's that get better prices, and so on. I've always been aggressive with my car deals and my salesman from 10 years ago is now the president of the dealership. I just send him an email when I need a car on a good used one (never buy new anymore) on their lot with a "stupid" offer and if he likes it he tells me to pick it up by 5pm. So far he has taken all my "stupid offers" and laughs at what I got away with when I pick the car up. I remember my friends advice though and still know "they got me."
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I know it's de rigueur to poke fun at car salesmen and dealers (no, I'm not related nor do I know any), but folks have to made a living in this world and deserve some recompense for their time, effort, knowledge, overhead, inventory, etc. It's tempting to go into a sticks & bricks facility and glean all the info to be had from the salespeople and then go buy a similar item off the internet as it is cheaper. Bad form, in my opinion. I'll get off my soapbox now...

Edited: Oops...really off topic.
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And, David makes money on the loan through a kickback from the lending agency, just as the dealer sells a loan to a lending agency. In any event, you are paying a fee, buried in your loan payments.
In my opinion.... you are posting conjecture as if it was fact.
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I am not really interested in a fight over how to get a good deal on a car, I will do my research and negotiate. I expect the dealer will make some money, otherwise they won't sell it and I am ok with that.

I am interested in peoples towing experience with an escape 19 and a 2nd or 3rd gen highlander, 2016 Sorento, 2016 Pilot, 2014+ MDX or Mercedes ml350 diesel.
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I hear your point Karen, but the horse is out of the barn on that issue and it is even worse in the retailer space. This is the negative argument on anyone that buys anything on Amazon or online retailers and has gone in to a brick and mortar, played with the item, then ordered it online.
Brick and mortar businesses are adjusting and learning to play in the new world even car dealers who now have very aggressive Internet sales departments, aggressive online pricing, and online search presence. As with all change it is coming and everyone has to learn to adapt to the new business model and how to capitalize on it in order to continue to thrive.
But now back to the topic....
I can only offer towing a 19 with a Nissan Frontier so we'll abdicate to others who might have towed with the vehicles you're interested in.
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