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[Snuffy2]

We've owned our escape 21 for a while, 5 trips. I'm several weeks into another rotator cuff surgery, due to this getting in and out of bed in our camper is painful just to be kind. We are thinking of going to an Oliver with twin beds, we had rather sleep together or our other pick a Bigfoot with the walk around bed in the rear, please don't throw stones.

I'm asking if anyone on this forum has any negative things to say about these campers. Don't misunderstand there isn't anything about the Escape that has disappointed us aside from my physical issues.

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by Snuffy2

We've owned our escape 21 for a while, 5 trips. I'm several weeks into another rotator cuff surgery, due to this getting in and out of bed in our camper is painful just to be kind. We are thinking of going to an Oliver with twin beds, we had rather sleep together or our other pick a Bigfoot with the walk around bed in the rear, please don't throw stones.

I'm asking if anyone on this forum has any negative things to say about these campers. Don't misunderstand there isn't anything about the Escape that has disappointed us aside from my physical issues.

I know what that pain is about . Last December completely torn my rotator cuff from the bone . I declined surgery though . I did do PT though which has strengthened the other muscles in the shoulder . But I will have to do for rest of my life . I haven't had a good nights sleep since last Dec. At home changed out the bed to adjustable it helps to be able to get head up . Pain is getting better as long as I keep up the exercises . I don't baby my arm but no lifting anymore .
Both your choices would be great and I understand why . In trailer we sleep on mostly a very soft latex bed . Me lots of pillows , can't sleep flat anymore , need head up . I also need to be at side to get out , no scouting out for me . Hope you can find something to work and can get some relief. Pat

[walloe]

Have you tried a wedge pillow to help you sleep with your head up? They are about $20 at WM.? It helps people with Gerd too.

[cpaharley2008]

Olivers are very heavy, maybe another 1000# plus over the Escape....

[GoCampBC]

We has been looking at the Froli sleep system after people started discussing the need for ventilation under the mattress. When you mentioned keeping your head up, I remembered this adjustable headrest that looks like it can be added without the full sleep system. Just a thought!

https://froli-systems.myshopify.com/...able-head-rest

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by GoCampBC

We has been looking at the Froli sleep system after people started discussing the need for ventilation under the mattress. When you mentioned keeping your head up, I remembered this adjustable headrest that looks like it can be added without the full sleep system. Just a thought!

https://froli-systems.myshopify.com/...able-head-rest

That's pretty cool . There is a lot more though . One for me I am not a back sleeper but I have too a lot of the time . Sleeping on either side because of the rotator cuff . Getting your head up helps with shoulder I guess staying in the socket it is supposed to be in and then less pain . PT and time is helping a little . You learn to make adjustments along the way too. I totally understand his dilemma. Truthfully like both his choices . If our bed doesn't work any longer , We would be going that route too. Pat

[MikeS]

What we didn't like about the Oliver (we did like a lot) was the length, weight and bed layout. If those three items don't bother you I would not try to talk you out of making the jump to an Oliver.

[sprinkledavid@gmail.com]

I installed a Springfield gas operated table pedestal in my 19 ft Escape...it honestly took 10 seconds to lower the table into a cushion ready bed platform.10 seconds to make it back into a table as the gas lifts it back up. The bed is at the opposite end so if you partner snores the distance is preferable to twin beds...of course, I did it mainly for grandkid visits but it made bed making EASY. Just a thought.

[drjp]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

Olivers are very heavy, maybe another 1000# plus over the Escape....

Yeah, and $$

[Patandlinda]

Originally Posted by drjp

Yeah, and $$

There are a lot of nice upgrades that go into the Oliver 1000lbs plus price . Sort of you get what you are paying for . Double wall 4 season for one . Pat

[caddoster]

those Olivers are nice.. problem is they are heavy and they cost a lot..

[Donna D.]

I don't particularly care for the Oliver. It has some nice features, but overall it's not the trailer for me. IF sleeping separately is okay, why not make up the dinette into a bed? Yes it may be a PITA to convert back to a dinette on a daily basis, but maybe that's not needed every day. But it sure would save you a bunch of $$$ because you're changing trailer brands.


I have the u-shape dinette (with filler board and extra cushion), the back portion of the dinette is a twin bed size and I've taken some marvelous sleeps back there.

[Mtn1203]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

I don't particularly care for the Oliver. It has some nice features, but overall it's not the trailer for me. IF sleeping separately is okay, why not make up the dinette into a bed? Yes it may be a PITA to convert back to a dinette on a daily basis, but maybe that's not needed every day. But it sure would save you a bunch of $$$ because you're changing trailer brands.


I have the u-shape dinette (with filler board and extra cushion), the back portion of the dinette is a twin bed size and I've taken some marvelous sleeps back there.

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Or make up the dinette as a twin along the back under the windo and still have a place to sit to eat.

[Snuffy2]

If the deal falls through I've decided to put a pvc handrail on the bed frame between the mattress and wall. Easy to do if not helpful easy to undo.

[Snuffy2]

Since I've never had anything shipped before I'm new so up can I ask what questions I should be asking any shipper? Insurance License ect.

[Marry]

What about a re configuration of a 21? By putting a 19 kitchen in a 21, and moving fridge and wardrobe up by eliminating the drawer cabinet, there should be room to put two single beds in the back. A dinette can be placed where the bed is.
Maybe worth asking Reace? There are more people that might be interested in an option like this.

[Viajante]

A friend moved from a Casita to a Bigfoot and she was very happy. If you do make the switch please report back.

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Snuffy2

We've owned our escape 21 for a while, 5 trips. I'm several weeks into another rotator cuff surgery, due to this getting in and out of bed in our camper is painful just to be kind. We are thinking of going to an Oliver with twin beds, we had rather sleep together or our other pick a Bigfoot with the walk around bed in the rear, please don't throw stones.

I'm asking if anyone on this forum has any negative things to say about these campers. Don't misunderstand there isn't anything about the Escape that has disappointed us aside from my physical issues.

Nobody is going to throw stones. Folks have every right to choose what they feel works best.

I am one who would never go to an Oliver, while a great built trailer, the looks and layout do not work for us.

Now a Bigfoot would, and has been, a consideration. Another quality built trailer. I like both the 25B25RQ (rear queen) and the 25B25RT (rear twin). I favour the rear twin which has more storage space, and two 36x80 beds, so full sized twin mattresses. These trailers are near 5,000 lbs dry, so you do need a bigger tow vehicle, but a F-150 would work fine.

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[alanmalk]

Originally Posted by Jim Bennett

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Now a Bigfoot would, and has been, a consideration.
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Be sure to take a close look at their unique "refridgrator" appliance.




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Alan

[Snuffy2]

Wife has decided on Bigfoot so once we have it our 21 will be up for sale.

Biggest thing now is finding someone to transport and deliver since I don't have available time to go pick it up.