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Old 09-24-2016, 12:56 PM   #21
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Let me get this straight: the inspectors are unreasonable because they insisted that a person with a brand-new never-used boat must stop for a boat inspection, and because they didn't inspect actually inspect a boat once they saw that it was brand-new and never used? Yes, there is something unreasonable going on here, and it isn't Oregon boat inspections.
Are you a politician? It would seem like that turning folks words around.

The only thing (at least I found) unreasonable were the actions taken after he was stopped, not the trains for it.
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I have seen boat inspections at the lakes in Colorado but I am mystified why there would be a boat inspection station on a major highway. Is there a requirement to scrub down your boat before entering Oregon? Do the organisms themselves respect state boundaries?
Things like snails, fish and weeds are going to spread regardless of government attempts to stop them.
Perhaps Oregon should set up an inspection station for Canada Geese and Mallards. They could waste even more millions of taxpayer dollars with that boondoggle.
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I have seen boat inspections at the lakes in Colorado but I am mystified why there would be a boat inspection station on a major highway. Is there a requirement to scrub down your boat before entering Oregon? Do the organisms themselves respect state boundaries?
Things like snails, fish and weeds are going to spread regardless of government attempts to stop them.
Perhaps Oregon should set up an inspection station for Canada Geese and Mallards. They could waste even more millions of taxpayer dollars with that boondoggle.
I think you make a good point in that there is very little evidence that these type of inspections prevent anything. But, it is the law. My beef would be that it was enforced as a "gotcha" with no intent to violate it. If every law, rule and regulation were 100% strictly enforced, each and every one of us would probably find that we break the "law" at least 5 times a day.
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:11 PM   #24
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What I want to know is if I get the Oregon Invasive Species Permit, does that allow me to transport invasive species from one water to another?
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Old 09-24-2016, 01:47 PM   #25
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I sometimes wonder as I cruise on past, if I'm supposed to stop at the truck stops that say "trailers" on the signage.
Signage varies by location. Alberta highway inspection stations (weigh scales) are preceded by signs which require vehicles over 4500 kg to stop (when the scale is open) - no mention of trailers. My motorhome is over that weight, and many Escapes with their tow vehicles would be as well (although my current trailer and van are under), but the signs also give the RV exemption.

I looked at a randomly sampled weigh station in Massachusetts (the power of Google Street View ) and the signs just said it was a weigh scale - no indication of who needed to stop. An AAA (auto club) summary website (not a great source) says:
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That's the same weight limit as Alberta (because it's a common limit for North America), but with no exemption of RVs. Whether the AAA list is correct or not, I assume that a Massachusetts driver should know the local laws, and a commercial driver would as well, but a trailer-towing tourist would have no reasonable way to know, unless other locations have more explicit signs.
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I have seen boat inspections at the lakes in Colorado but I am mystified why there would be a boat inspection station on a major highway.
Perhaps because that's how boaters get from one area to another.

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Is there a requirement to scrub down your boat before entering Oregon?
Yes, somewhere between being the in water somewhere else and entering the water in the controlled area. That's the whole point: clean off the invasive organisms before taking them somewhere that they have not yet invaded.

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Do the organisms themselves respect state boundaries?
No, the idea is that people respect regulations, and so the organisms don't get a chance to move.

All of this isn't really about state (or provincial) boundaries. The idea is that boaters clean off their boats every time they leave a body of water (which may have the invasive species present), so that they don't take the problem to the next body of water (which may still be free of the invasive species)... even within the same state or province.

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Things like snails, fish and weeds are going to spread regardless of government attempts to stop them.
Well, I suppose we should just get rid of police departments, too, since people will commit crimes anyway... and fire departments (because stuff burns), and hospitals (because people get sick and die).

Life evolves, and species spread. Without people, this happens relatively slowly and everything adapts to the change. People introducing organisms to places which have not had a chance to adapt to the arrival can make a big mess.
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Old 09-24-2016, 02:11 PM   #27
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I couldn't locate the Oregon sign image online but found one for Idaho stating "All watercraft must stop" which is very confusing if you are driving a motor vehicle. How hard is it to say "All vehicles towing or carrying watercraft of any kind must stop for inspection?" I tend to agree that a lot of times signage is unclear about things like this, but I'd probably err on the side of stopping- if I remembered there was a kayak on top of my car or trailer. I've never seen a sign like this though I do remember ones warning you to inspect your boat (California).
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I couldn't locate the Oregon sign image online but found one for Idaho stating "All watercraft must stop" which is very confusing if you are driving a motor vehicle. How hard is it to say "All vehicles towing or carrying watercraft of any kind must stop for inspection?"
So, what else would "All watercraft must stop" mean? That boats driving themselves down the highway must stop, but not cars and trucks towing boats? Sorry, but I don't see any problem with the Idaho sign, and I think the 13-word sentence would be far too long for a highway sign.
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Summary of the problem

About half way between our house in Ventura County, and Ross and Sue's in Los Osos, lies Cachuma Lake, which is aggressively trying to keep their lake free of the invasion. If you turn off hwy 154 into the lake, you stop at the ranger booth, and then you're done, stopped, do-not-proceed, if you have a watercraft without an inspection tag. This is the appropriate approach.
Attached is a document describing their inspection/cleaning/tagging procedure, and a history of the problem. It's very interesting reading.



Also, for areas that are not so easily controlled, like CA Owens Valley and the east side of the Sierras, the standards are posted here:
https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Invasives

AND, the rangers, other fishermen, tackle shop employees, etc. know the problem, and are watching and reminding.
The big deal in Owens Valley is washing your waders, boots, and any fishing tackle that's been in the water. Many do it at the dump stations when they're doing the trailer tank dump.
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Interesting observation about the history of the snail invasion of the West: it first showed up on the Snake River, then Oregon waterways, then California waterways. So Oregon (the regulators, not the folks of OR) fines Californians for yet another thing.
Ross, that stop "fee" was jealous reverse retribution
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