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Old 01-23-2019, 01:59 PM   #1
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how many watts for how long

Solar is new to me, but it appears to work. My question is, can we use our instant pot
of 700 watts for 15 to 20 minutes with the factory solar setup of 2018? The standard panel and dual batteries with 1500 watt inverter. Also we have LED's and no other demands on the battery except the hidden ones, refridge, etc. It would be nice to recover quickly after the draw. I'm trying to come up with new ideas for Nancy to cook. If this will work then maybe our small George Forman will also work for me.
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:19 PM   #2
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Get one of those kill-a-watt device and measure it at home, and you will have a better idea what the actual wattage is, then convert it to 12V watt hours and you get some idea of how much battery you will end up using.. I did something like that for our little 3Qt instant pot, can't remembered the number I got off hand but it was doable, but I didn't think it was worth the effort so I scrap the idea.


Also unless you are cooking while the sun is high up most of your cooking power will be from the battery, which means how quickly you can recover the next day.. (what is the weather like tomorrow)
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IF the instant pot is a steady 700W the whole time its on, 20 minutes would use about 230 watt*hours, which is about 20 amp hours at 12V, or 1/10th of the total capacity of a dual GC2 setup (so about 1/5th of the safe 50% capacity). typically heating appliances like that are NOT on constantly, they get hot then cycle on/off with some duty cycle to maintain a constant temperature, so they use less power overall.
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Drawing 70 amps from a pair of 6V batteries is more than the amperage the 20 amp hour rate is figured at (which would be around a 10 amp load). When you draw more than the amount used to rate batteries, it will lessen the available amp hours (Check Peukert's Law for a full explanation).

If you are starting with full batteries, 20 minutes @ 700 watts is probably possible, but I'd want full sun for the rest of the day to put most of the usage back in the batteries. You may find that the inverter alarms due to low voltage, or even shuts down if your batteries don't start out full.
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We used the small instant pot many times. It does draw 700 watts sometimes, but fluctuates up and down in watt draw. Heating to pressure cook is almost a steady 700 watts, about 10 minutes. Then pressure cooking it even shuts off at times, and never approaches 700 watts while maintaining pressure. The voltage decline was disturbing as we watched, we saw a low of 12.0 V several times. After the instant pot shut off there was a rapid rise in voltage again as the batteries were no longer experiencing a draw. We used the instant pot fairly regularly with no ill effects on the battery state after fixing dinner. The next morning the batteries were at the same resting voltage that they were when the instant pot was not used. We really like the instant pot and it fits with our boondocking, never plugging in style. Another device we use is an instant kettle, simular heating element, 1000 watts, and it will boil almost a quart of water in less than 5 minutes. It is considerably faster than a normal kettle on the propane burner. The inverter is only 1500 watts, so we do not use any electrical gadget that draws more than 1000 watts. The key to using these appliances is that they are on such a short time.
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I'd just heat a can of Campbell's Chunky Pepper Steak and Potato soup on the propane stove top.
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Solar is new to me, but it appears to work. My question is, can we use our instant pot
of 700 watts for 15 to 20 minutes with the factory solar setup of 2018? The standard panel and dual batteries with 1500 watt inverter. Also we have LED's and no other demands on the battery except the hidden ones, refridge, etc. It would be nice to recover quickly after the draw. I'm trying to come up with new ideas for Nancy to cook. If this will work then maybe our small George Forman will also work for me.
Thanks for any help.
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Using the instant pot would probably work on solar but why? The instant pot is just a electric pressure cooker with a timer. A regular pressure cooker on the range is more energy efficient and uses no electricity.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:14 PM   #8
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Inverter use

Good to hear from you, Jack.
On using the inverter with solar, just give it a try with whatever you have in mind. You can monitor battery percentage and voltage as it drops from your use if you have a good view of the monitor. Don't be too alarmed when you see a low level while the appliance is drawing electricity. The read-out seems to bounce back up to a reasonable number as soon as the device is unplugged or turned off.

I did notice on a trip this last week that the lower winter sun makes a difference as does a cloudy day, but if the battery is at 100% from whatever charging you are getting, I'd still feel brave enough to withdraw a little of your stored power.

If you go too far, there is a mildly irritating squeal that indicates you are too low on voltage reading, or drawing more than you should or your battery cables are loose or have become un-crimped somewhat.
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Solar is new to me, but it appears to work. My question is, can we use our instant pot
of 700 watts for 15 to 20 minutes with the factory solar setup of 2018?
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Some considerations to keep in mind. Specifically, when and where are you doing this cooking.

Here in Denver, CO, a standard Escape roof mounted solar panel of a nominal 160 watts will put out 30 watts in early January at noon.

Using 700 watts for the pot and 100 for inverter overhead, the ratio of 30 to 800 is 1 to 26. So for each minute of cooking you will need 26 minutes of charging, or for 20 minutes you will need over 8 hours of full sun charging to replace what you used to cook with. We just don't have 8 hours of full sun here in the Mile High city in mid-winter.

You may have a bit more power down in Arizona, but in general you will need more sun than you get in a day's time in mid-winter. As a few other folks have discovered the hard way - one roof panel is barely enough to cover lights, 'fridge, furnace, and incidentals. To cook with electricity you might consider adding a portable panel that you can aim at the sun. This time of year, aiming at the sun can triple the output of a solar panel and makes it practical to use solar for cooking.

So even though it makes my stomach do flips, the canned soup option may be the most practical solution for a while.
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The instant pot is just a electric pressure cooker with a timer. A regular pressure cooker on the range is more energy efficient and uses no electricity.
While it's very true that a regular stove top pressure cooker uses no electricity, an Instant Pot is not just an electric pressure cooker with a timer. It's a rice cooker, porridge or cereal maker, yogurt maker, steamer, sanitizer, saute pan, pressure cooker, slow cooker, and can even roast and sear meats.

It's also MUCH safer than a stove top pressure cooker because the internal pressure is lower, and because there are built in safeguards to prevent opening it when there is any pressure inside.

I would probably not attempt to use ours with no hookups, but I just wanted to point out that pressure cooking is only part of it's functionality. I've even baked a cake with it.
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We too love our Instant Pot (6 quart), and have used it many times boondocking with success. It does take up a big chunk of space under curb bench though. Have lobbied to get a 3 quart model just for the trailer, but so far the CFO has declined acquisition.
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We too love our Instant Pot (6 quart), and have used it many times boondocking with success. It does take up a big chunk of space under curb bench though. Have lobbied to get a 3 quart model just for the trailer, but so far the CFO has declined acquisition.

I used to have a 6Qt and switched to a 3Qt, space-wise I don't think it saved that much footprint.. This is one of the reasons I decided not to take this thing with us in the trailer.
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While it's very true that a regular stove top pressure cooker uses no electricity, an Instant Pot is not just an electric pressure cooker with a timer. It's a rice cooker, porridge or cereal maker, yogurt maker, steamer, sanitizer, saute pan, pressure cooker, slow cooker, and can even roast and sear meats.

It's also MUCH safer than a stove top pressure cooker because the internal pressure is lower, and because there are built in safeguards to prevent opening it when there is any pressure inside.

I would probably not attempt to use ours with no hookups, but I just wanted to point out that pressure cooking is only part of it's functionality. I've even baked a cake with it.
We got one for Christmas and am still learning . Makes get ribs so far . Pat
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While it's very true that a regular stove top pressure cooker uses no electricity, an Instant Pot is not just an electric pressure cooker with a timer. It's a rice cooker, porridge or cereal maker, yogurt maker, steamer, sanitizer, saute pan, pressure cooker, slow cooker, and can even roast and sear meats.

It's also MUCH safer than a stove top pressure cooker because the internal pressure is lower, and because there are built in safeguards to prevent opening it when there is any pressure inside.

I would probably not attempt to use ours with no hookups, but I just wanted to point out that pressure cooking is only part of it's functionality. I've even baked a cake with it.

Uh, the only thing an instant pot can do that a pressure cooker can't is slow cooker. All the rest can be done and do it faster in a pressure cooker due to the higher pressure that is generated. I'm not doing it while boondocking but you did leave out canning - can't be done in an instant pot.

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Uh, the only thing an instant pot can do that a pressure cooker can't is slow cooker. All the rest can be done and do it faster in a pressure cooker due to the higher pressure that is generated. I'm not doing it while boondocking but you did leave out canning - can't be done in an instant pot.

https://www.hippressurecooking.com/t...ssure-cookers/
Pressure cooker for yogurt!?! I don' think so. The instant pot brings the milk up to temp, beeps so you know it is ready to add the culture then maintains the low temp for 10 hours for the yogurt to do it's thing. Makes much better yogurt than even the dedicated yogurt maker we had before the instant pot.

(Although I wouldn't t make yogurt while boon docking.) We did make some fantastic chicken and dumpling while on solar. The batteries were fully charged by noon the following day.
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Pressure cooker for yogurt!?! I don' think so. The instant pot brings the milk up to temp, beeps so you know it is ready to add the culture then maintains the low temp for 10 hours for the yogurt to do it's thing. Makes much better yogurt than even the dedicated yogurt maker we had before the instant pot.

(Although I wouldn't t make yogurt while boon docking.) We did make some fantastic chicken and dumpling while on solar. The batteries were fully charged by noon the following day.
Arnie how many watts do you have with solar . We have a 6 qt but was thinking of a 3 qt . Pat
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Uh, the only thing an instant pot can do that a pressure cooker can't is slow cooker. All the rest can be done and do it faster in a pressure cooker due to the higher pressure that is generated. I'm not doing it while boondocking but you did leave out canning - can't be done in an instant pot.

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We're not just talking about cooking, but convenience, and consistency. Instant Pots are set and forget. I've cooked with a conventional pressure cooker, one that was handed down to me that my parents used to use. Having cooked with both several times, there's no comparison to me - it's the Instant Pot every time. Sure, you can bake a cake in a wood fired oven. My grandma used to do it. But why tend a stove and stoke it with wood hoping you maintain the right temperature when you can use a gas or electric oven and just set the thermostat? But to each, their own.
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We have the 3 qt instant pot. Foot print allows it to store in the cabinet under the fridge. We have the 170 watt solar panel on the rooftop. We spent 5 weeks in FL with no hookups from mid Oct to last day in Nov. In Nov (boondocking) we were still using the instant pot to cook rice, make stir fry dishes, and warm stews as cold fronts passed through. The sun angle and duration were lower than earlier in the year, but the batteries were at 100% of charge everyday, normally by noon. As the cold fronts became colder our electric usage increased due to running the furnace all night, but we ended everyday 100% charged. Our trip home to AZ in Dec was a non event as the tow vehicle charges the batteries fully underway.
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So basically, if you're boondocking... you wouldn't want to use the Instant Pot in cold weather, if you like a hot dinner? Because the batteries will be too low to run the furnace over night? But it would be (maybe) fine for breakfast because the batteries would have all day to recharge?

Or, am I missing something?
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Thanks to everyone for the input. It is my idea of taking the 3 qt. with us to Q and where ever afterwards but Nancy is concerned about space to store. I like the idea because she has made some outstanding stews while here at home. We will pass on the pressure cooker because of my story of coming home from school many years ago and finding the kitchen covered in tomatoes and my older sister's shoes in front of the stove empty and the large canning pressure cooker on the stove uncovered.
My mother would can everything including venison and very familiar with the cooker but an accident happened and my red headed sister lost her freckles that day and spent a few days in the hospital and we have never ad a pressure cooker in our house even though a younger sister used one for 40 years in Leadville CO. at 10,000 feet.
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