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Old 04-14-2019, 10:06 AM   #1
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Escape 21 Cold Weather Achilles Heel

We have a 2016 Escape "classic" we picked up new in June 2016. We are close to retirement and thinking about more extended trips during spring and fall. When I was poring over the build sheet, I opted out of the under body spray foam (ugly, harder to get to maintenance items.... YMMV I know), but am now having regrets. My intent is NOT to start a back-and-forth about pro's and con's of the spray foam.

We are not necessarily wanting to camp in freezing weather but we may find ourselves in situations where it dips below freezing at night or maybe for a day or two and then rises above freezing again. My thinking at build sheet time was that in such instances, I would keep the trailer heated with the furnace, drain the fresh water tank and then use jug water for drinking and jug/antifreeze for the toilet. After we picked up the trailer I noticed the CW/HW water supply lines leaving the body of the trailer below the bed to serve the sink (see pic where they exit and then run along two sides of the gray tank to the sink). Yikes!

Are there any 21 classic owners who have thought up a solution to this freezing "achilles heel?" Seems like a real pain to have to keep winterizing and de-winterizing while on the road. I do have the winterizing valve option and water heater bypass, but still would be a hassle to keep repeating the winterizing/de-winterizing song and dance. One possibility would be to install extra shutoffs under the bed and then exterior drain valves so I could drain just this one section of CW/HW lines. The sink faucet would act as a decent air release but thinking I might have to add an extra set of valves or some kind of plugs for air release under the bed. Another solution is never hit the road before May or after September

BTW I looked at a Lance yesterday where all the tanks and dump valves are in a heated space. Nice solution. I know..... a totally different kind of trailer.
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Old 04-14-2019, 10:29 AM   #2
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While I have considered adding an insulated "cover" for the cross over piping, I have camped with overnight temperatures as low as 22°F and not had the pipes freeze (furnace set at 59°F). Daytime temperatures were in the 50's...
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If you have the winterizing by pass then drain and winterize the trailer with antifreeze. You can then use the toilet using antifreeze if need be. Use bottled water otherwise. Another option is a heated water supply hose if water is available, but the water lines are exposed, so the foam option would have taken care of that.
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As an initial measure you might add foam insulating sleeves, available at any hardware store. Not a complete solution by any means, but should help some.
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Old 04-14-2019, 10:46 AM   #5
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..... Another option is a heated water supply hose if water is available, but the water lines are exposed, so the foam option would have taken care of that.
You seem to be implying that by having the foam option one need not worry about their pipes freezing. That is simply not the case as the foam adds a fairly low R value that would merely delay but not prevent freezing of water lines in the event of any prolonged freezing temperatures.
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I am not familiar where everything is in a Classic, but could you not run the hot and cold water lines inside all the way down the drivers side, across the back along the wall and forward on the passenger side to the sink? Yes it is a long way for the hot water line but if you insulate it, it can’t be much worse than the hot water line outside in the cold.
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Old 04-14-2019, 10:58 AM   #7
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The water line run is definitely one thing the 19 has over the 21 being that they are all inside runs. Seems to me Escape could run it all inside the 21 and then forward of the step up to the dining area- or integrate it into the step somehow.
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I am not familiar where everything is in a Classic, but could you not run the hot and cold water lines inside all the way down the drivers side, across the back along the wall and forward on the passenger side to the sink? Yes it is a long way for the hot water line but if you insulate it, it can’t be much worse than the hot water line outside in the cold.
A 21 without the lounge seating setup has no direct means of crossing the inside of the cabin from the driver to passenger side. Running exposed across the bath then across the top of the door then down to the sink is a possibility but it would look pretty horrible.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:19 AM   #9
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While I have considered adding an insulated "cover" for the cross over piping, I have camped with overnight temperatures as low as 22°F and not had the pipes freeze (furnace set at 59°F). Daytime temperatures were in the 50's...
Well that is encouraging. BTW... love your photo / travel blog site. Lots of good fodder for trip planning. Thanks for that.
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A 21 without the lounge seating setup has no direct means of crossing the inside of the cabin from the driver to passenger side.
Would probably need to put in a raceway. I think that's what it's called in a Scamp and Casita. Basically a two-sided block on the floor against the wall, from side to side, that the waterlines run through.
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