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11-17-2023, 07:51 AM
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2023 Ford Explorer 4 cylinder & 19'
We were planning on a Casita 17 but have now switched our sights to the Explorer 19'. We put the horse before the cart and just purchased a 2023 Explorer with an IV tow package and anti-sway, 10 speed transmission, 5,300 lb tow capacity and 500 lb tongue weight. However it has a 300 hp. 4 cylinder turbo. Specs say we can tow the 19' Explorer, but there is could, should, and enjoy to consider. Anyone have any experience with this tow vehicle?
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11-17-2023, 07:59 AM
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How much payload weight for the TV?
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11-17-2023, 08:30 AM
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If you are referring to GCWR...
The combined vehicle and trailer weight max is 10,300 lbs. Explorer curb weight is 4,345 lbs. Escape 19' GVW is 4,440. So well within "published" limits. I am more worried about you should de versus what you could do. Traveling with 2 adults that travel pretty light. Used to backpacking and bike packing trips.
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11-28-2023, 12:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeepers
The combined vehicle and trailer weight max is 10,300 lbs. Explorer curb weight is 4,345 lbs. Escape 19' GVW is 4,440. So well within "published" limits. I am more worried about you should de versus what you could do. Traveling with 2 adults that travel pretty light. Used to backpacking and bike packing trips.
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Payload of the tow vehicle is important too. Actually weigh your Explorer as equipped, subtract that from the GWVR on the door sticker, that's your useable payload. Take the weight of the driver and passengers, the trailer tongue weight, the hitch, and everything else you might bring, that should be less than the max payload number.
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11-28-2023, 04:52 AM
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The 2023 Explorer has a listed dry payload capacity between 1,084 to 1,723 lbs.
My 2016 F150's payload capacity is 1802 lbs and with a 400 lb dry torque weight, 300 lbs. for 2 adults & a dog, 110 lbs for truck bed cover, 300 lbs of gear and a full 36 gals of gas it starts creeping up on that payload capacity pretty quick.
Add in another 400-500 lbs for a couple of friends and their gear and you can see where payload capacity can become problematic.
But Ford says my truck can "tow" 11,200 lbs.
Stay safe!
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11-28-2023, 05:47 AM
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Confused
You state you are looking at acquiring an Explorer 19. Escape Trailers does not have such a named model, to my knowledge. There is a XPLORER 19 trailer, from a different manufacturer and type of trailer.
Are you asking on the proper forum?
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11-28-2023, 11:31 AM
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Payload - not GVW or GCVW
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeepers
The combined vehicle and trailer weight max is 10,300 lbs. Explorer curb weight is 4,345 lbs. Escape 19' GVW is 4,440. So well within "published" limits. I am more worried about you should de versus what you could do. Traveling with 2 adults that travel pretty light. Used to backpacking and bike packing trips.
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Look at the yellow "Tire Loading" sticker on your driver's door post. That is the actual allowable payload for your specific vehicle. Most light duty vehicles will run out of payload well before getting near the mythical max trailer towing weight.
Payload less trailer tongue weight is what you have left for driver, passengers and all "stuff" you put in the truck / bed.
Appears you might be close to the max tongue weight for the TV as well........though the #500 may be for a non WD hitch?
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11-28-2023, 11:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 7Gentex
Appears you might be close to the max tongue weight for the TV as well........though the #500 may be for a non WD hitch?
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Is a WD hitch approved for use with an Explorer? I know that some manufacturers don't recommend them with unibody vehicles.
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11-28-2023, 12:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Selkirk
Is a WD hitch approved for use with an Explorer? I know that some manufacturers don't recommend them with unibody vehicles.
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Appears to not be specifically addressed in the 2023 Explorer towing supplement - only "Weight Carrying" stated.
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11-28-2023, 12:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Selkirk
Is a WD hitch approved for use with an Explorer? I know that some manufacturers don't recommend them with unibody vehicles.
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Previous years towing guides state WD hitch recommended over 3,000 pounds according to Ford Explorer Forum
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11-28-2023, 12:01 PM
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Max Payload is 1,365 lbs.
Max payload is 1.365 lbs. Tongue weight is actually 530 lbs but Escape says plan for 500 lb tongue weight. Planning on WD hitch
Combined passenger weight is 325
17 gallons of gas is 102 lbs
1365 Max payload
-102 - fuel
-325 - passengers
-500 - tongue weight
=438 lbs of payload for junk in the back
Pretty sure I am okay,
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11-28-2023, 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeepers
Max payload is 1.365 lbs. Tongue weight is actually 530 lbs but Escape says plan for 500 lb tongue weight. Planning on WD hitch
Combined passenger weight is 325
17 gallons of gas is 102 lbs
1365 Max payload
-102 - fuel
-325 - passengers
-500 - tongue weight
=438 lbs of payload for junk in the back
Pretty sure I am okay,
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You don't have deduct for fuel..............
But, you are over #500 max tongue a bit...........
Not seeing the WD suggested over #3k, just the Class IV Trailer Tow package 52T.
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11-28-2023, 12:24 PM
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What is in the Payload sticker.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeepers
Max payload is 1.365 lbs. Tongue weight is actually 530 lbs but Escape says plan for 500 lb tongue weight. Planning on WD hitch
Combined passenger weight is 325
17 gallons of gas is 102 lbs
1365 Max payload
-102 - fuel
-325 - passengers
-500 - tongue weight
=438 lbs of payload for junk in the back
Pretty sure I am okay,
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There is a lot of confusion about the Payload rating on the door sticker. My understanding is that the Payload rating already assumes all tanks holding liquid are full (gas, oil, washer, coolant, etc). So your 100lb for the gas does not count against the payload number. However, the driver and all passengers, gear, hitch, tonque from the trailer all do count against the payload.
Hopefully I haven't muddied things further.
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11-17-2023, 11:30 AM
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I've towed 16' and 17' trailers quite a bit (140k miles) in the past with a Toyota Highlander AWD. The Explorer is now RWD (if not AWD), a nice long wheelbase of 119" (the HL was 108"), and the 2.3L turbo is a fair bit stronger than the Highlander's 3.5L 6 cyl (plus the turbo will help in the higher elevations). You might need to add some air bags or (better yet) a weight distribution hitch if it sags more than you like, but otherwise I'd say the Explorer should do fine. For a WD hitch I'd suggest the Andersen NoSway as a candidate because it's about half the weight of most such hitches, with easy to stow chains instead of heavy spring bars.
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11-28-2023, 12:35 PM
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https://www.explorerforum.com/forums...-hitch.315556/
Third party reference to use of WD hitch on Explorer and Ford tow guide. Tongue weight for my model is actually 560 lb.
Take out 102 lbs for fuel and add 82 lbs. for hitch is a 30 improvement
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11-28-2023, 04:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeepers
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That link goes to a discussion originally referencing a 2011 Explorer
The floor pan / chassis for the Explorer changed drastically in 2020 due to a move from FWD to RWD or AWD
Pre 2020 Explorers specifically called for a WDH for trailers over x,xxx pounds
Now Ford just states "Not required"
Lots of Internet chatter regarding yea or nay though I have seen nothing officially from Ford.
Any 2020+ Explorer folks on here? Seems I remember a pic of a "son's" Explorer hooked up to an Escape. Explorer maybe had factory rear air leveling?
The short distance between the hitch to the rear axle on the Explorer is a positive for trailer towing handling and less front end unloading while hitched, but there are also Internet forum comments regarding the "short lever" being problematic in a WD approach as the forces required to transfer weight back to the front end would exceed design specs of the hitch / mounting area. So, appears Ford drew a #560 line in the sand for the non WD hitch and attachment points.
See what Ford, not a dealer, opines on such......in writing.
I'd try without WD first and focus on trailer weight distribution
Enjoy your new Escape!
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11-28-2023, 04:47 PM
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Related thread
Found the "son's" Explorer thread
Seems it towed fine but they ended up getting an Anderson WDH setup
That is a Gen 1 E19 which may have a bit less tongue weight, but......
https://www.escapeforum.org/forums/f...led-24816.html
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11-28-2023, 03:13 PM
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Only in the configuration phase, have not taken delivery yet, but plan to check the actual tongue weight when I get it.
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11-28-2023, 04:31 PM
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Plan on weighing the tongue when your trailer is on level ground and when it's at the height it'll be at for towing (which ideally is slightly nose down or level), because it has an effect on the tongue weight. For example, if it were slightly nose up the trailer's rear axle is loaded more than the front axle, which will increase the tongue weight. I'd suggest choosing a WD hitch partially based on that device's weight; no point in adding an extra 40-50 lbs if you don't need to, for that weight will count against the hitch limit.
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11-28-2023, 04:49 PM
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Thanks for digging that our for me!
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