Survey - truck payload ratings with 5.0TA

[splitting_lanes]

Originally Posted by escape artist

Hi: splitting_lanes... Where you pack it is as important as what yer packin'. I used to put a lot of stuff in the loft. Now I put the table down and use a poly tarp to put stuff on. IMHO what's ahead of the wheels adds to the pin wt., what's behind them subtracts so to speak.
Since our truck is a "Pavement Prince" short on heft, but lots of umph to pull, most stuff goes in the trailer. I don't like putting gear in the truck interior cause I don't want the leather damaged. We're lucky the trailer has a kitchen sink... We just have to fit everything but... in. You make it work your way!!! Alf
escape artist N.S. of Lake Erie

Yeah, I think with good packing we’ll be great. I bet your “Pavement Prince” has a really smooth ride. Eco diesel was on my short list of great trucks to tow a 5.0 with!

[TTMartin]

Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz

and just to throw a WTF out there... My 2002 F250 4x4 diesel longbed supercab, it only has 2000 lbs payload rating before it hits its 8800 lb GVWR. I saw someone's 2011 F250 had 3250 lbs or something.

My '05 F250 4x4 Diesel Crew Cab short bed, had factory option 10,000 lbs GVWR springs (as I recall they were helper springs).

[John in Santa Cruz]

Originally Posted by TTMartin

My '05 F250 4x4 Diesel Crew Cab short bed, had factory option 10,000 lbs GVWR springs (as I recall they were helper springs).

surprised that didn't push it into F350 range. trucks over 9000 lbs GVWR have different tax rates, that's why the F250s are traditionally limited to about 8800 lbs GVWR.

btw, my 02 has helper springs, too... they were added as standard circa 2000, previously they were optional.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by TTMartin

My '05 F250 4x4 Diesel Crew Cab short bed, had factory option 10,000 lbs GVWR springs (as I recall they were helper springs).

Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz

surprised that didn't push it into F350 range. trucks over 9000 lbs GVWR have different tax rates, that's why the F250s are traditionally limited to about 8800 lbs GVWR.

The break in the U.S. federal truck classification system between Class 2 and Class 3 is at 10,000 pounds, and (like other manufacturers) Ford generally aligns their models to those classes - F-250 for Class 2 (actually 2b) and F-350 for Class 3. The optional GVWR equipment for an F-250 could put it right around the Class 2 limit.

In the current Ford SuperDuty lineup, the F-250 GVWR ranges from 9,900 to 10,800 pounds, while the F-350 starts at the same 9,900 pounds but goes up to 12,400 (SRW) or 14,000 (DRW). Whatever they did traditionally, apparently they don't worry about the class distinction any more, and the certainly don't keep the F-250 under 8,800 pounds GVWR - you can't even buy one that low. I don't know what tax implications are involved.

The break between light-duty and medium-duty (for trucks, not passenger vehicles) for EPA/DOT purposes in the U.S. is at 8,500 pounds; that defines Class 2a versus 2b in the classification system, and leads to more model distinctions. All SuperDuty models are in at least Class 2b (and all will hit the highest category of this payload survey); they are kept entirely out of the light vehicle regulations, very deliberately. The F-150 covers Class 2a; the trucks with "1" in their name (Ford F-150, GM Silverado/Sierra 1500, Ram 1500) are actually in Class 2a, not Class 1.

[Jack!]

2020 RAM 1500 Quad Cab, Laramie, 5.7 Hemi, 4x2, 6'4" Bed.
Payload:1786 lbs
Tow Cap: 11,610 lbs
GVWR: 6900 lbs

[splitting_lanes]

Originally Posted by salmo7000

It might even be 100 lbs higher than that. My Colorado has 1,390. Long bed with crew cab, 4X4.

Got the truck, a long bed diesel GMC Canyon 4x4, and the door jam says 1366 payload - your guess was almost spot on.

[kavm]

Have yet to pick up our Escape 5.0, and the truck, for that matter. But, the truck numbers are:

Truck - 2021 F150 PowerBoost 6.5'
Payload - 1349 lbs
GVWR - 7350 lbs
GCWR - 18400 lbs (I think it drops to 9000 lbs for fifth-wheel towing). In any case, the payload is the main constraint.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by kavm

GCWR - 18400 lbs (I think it drops to 9000 lbs for fifth-wheel towing). In any case, the payload is the main constraint.

The type of trailer won't change GCWR... but as you said, it's not the important constraint anyway.

[TahoeJoe]

Picking up my 5.0 tomorrow, it will be my first time towing it and will be driving 500 miles back home to Tahoe, so I'll have some feedback for sure. TV is a 2020 Chevy Silverado 1500 diesel short bed and payload is 1634. Minus the weight of the B&W turnover ball hitch I just installed, not sure how much that weighs...

[kavm]

Originally Posted by Brian B-P

The type of trailer won't change GCWR... but as you said, it's not the important constraint anyway.

Thank you! I figured it out. It is a function of the 15% tongue weight that Ford requires/recommends for fifth wheel towing. For 9000 lbs fifth-wheel trailer, 15% is 1350 lbs - which happens to be my payload. In reality, that’s an upper bound as it does not factor in the driver weight...

[Shiny]

We have a long wait but planning on getting a 5.0.

Our truck is a 2018 Silverado 1/2-ton and I was worried about the bed height so measured today and was relieved to find it OK at 53" plus another inch for a bed cover.

This thread then had me concerned about load rating because the 4x4 reduces towing capacity so thanks for the discussion. Looks like we will be OK with the sticker indicating 1777 lbs.

Lots to learn, thanks for my first lesson!

[JRManning]

We just received our new TV after a 4 month wait: 2021 RAM 1500, 4WD, Quadcab with the Eco-diesel engine. Like many others have mentioned, our limiting factor will likely be payload rating. I was a bit disappointed when I received the truck and saw the sticker. Based on previous research I was expecting around 1,700 lb.


Here are our numbers:
Tires: 275/60R18C
Payload: 1474lb
Towing capacity: 9,975 lb
GVWR: 7100 lb
GCWR: 15,600 lb
Box length: 76”


Come late 2022 when our 5.0 has been promised to us, we will have to be judicious in what we stow in the truck. My wife and I, a full tank of fuel and the pin weight of the 5.0 will use most, if not all, of the payload capacity. I guess we'll have to trade in our 100 lb Rhodesian Ridgeback on a smaller model!

[TahoeJoe]

Originally Posted by JRManning

We just received our new TV after a 4 month wait: 2021 RAM 1500, 4WD, Quadcab with the Eco-diesel engine. Like many others have mentioned, our limiting factor will likely be payload rating. I was a bit disappointed when I received the truck and saw the sticker. Based on previous research I was expecting around 1,700 lb.


Here are our numbers:
Tires: 275/60R18C
Payload: 1474lb
Towing capacity: 9,975 lb
GVWR: 7100 lb
GCWR: 15,600 lb
Box length: 76”


Come late 2022 when our 5.0 has been promised to us, we will have to be judicious in what we stow in the truck. My wife and I, a full tank of fuel and the pin weight of the 5.0 will use most, if not all, of the payload capacity. I guess we'll have to trade in our 100 lb Rhodesian Ridgeback on a smaller model!

Does your RAM have coil springs in the rear? My 2014 RAM 2500 did, and my payload was really low too, even for a 3/4 ton. RAM said they did it for ride quality, over the leaf springs. Anyways there are quite a few aftermarket products out there to help out your truck as it gets close to payload capacity...

[JRManning]

T-Joe: Yes, coils springs all around. Payload is low, but the ride is amazing! It is by far the best ride in a pickup truck I've ever had. For comparison I previously had a F-250 diesel, and RAM 3500 dually - with that, the list of required attire included a kidney belt, mouth guard and for my wife a steel/kevlar bra!

[NCBill]

Dirty little “secret” on trucks. As you up in model, the payload typically drops, due to the weight of the options. One would think a King Ranch would have a super duper payload. Nope. In the world of Ford, an XLT will commonly have more than a Lariat and a Lariat more than the King Ranch. HDPP is one way around this but you won’t find those on the dealers lot much. Even a max tow package does not make it max payload.

And if you think they are all the same truck, Ford has three different thicknesses of steel frames. It’s got to be an inventory killer!!

[cpaharley2008]

The problem with my Ram was the inadequate spare provided, not suitable for towing..... Check yours, I had to purchase a full-sized wheel and tire.

[Centex]

Originally Posted by JRManning

.... we will have to be judicious in what we stow in the truck. My wife and I, a full tank of fuel and the pin weight of the 5.0 will use most, if not all, of the payload capacity. ....

Please be aware that the weight of all vehicle fluids, including a full tank of fuel is already factored into the vehicle-specific sticker 'payload' number. So, at least you don't need to worry about that fuel weight reducing the available payload capacity.

(Federal regs don't mandate exactly how a mfr arrives at their 'payload rating', but they do mandate what's included in the weight basis, and that's uniform for all manufacturers)

[JStelly]

I sitting here getting my rubber valve stems replaced with metal for my TPMS. Thought I’d share while I have a few minutes. 1483 lbs on a 2018 F150 Platinum

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[John in Santa Cruz]

for those giving their truck ratings, be handy to specify if they are standard, 'extended' or full 4-door crew cabs. as the cab size goes up, the payload goes down.

[JStelly]

Mine is a four door crew cab.