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Old 07-26-2020, 05:40 PM   #21
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I think you missed my point. I did mention in my post that not everything coming out of China is low quality. What I was getting at was every time I hear someone say “Cheap ________ made crap,” the word Chinese is normally in the blank. The Chinese are willing to manufacture lower end products. I don’t think most Japanese manufacturing concerns are willing to do so anymore because they do not wish to have the blank space in the line above be filled in with “Japanese.” Some of this is driven by pride in workmanship. The Chinese do not have a monopoly on low quality products. Just take a look at the quality of much of the manufacturing output of Elkhart, Indiana. China is an emerging and growing economy with much based on manufacturing. I was just wondering/speculating if there will come a time when China decides it is not beneficial to their manufacturing reputation to produce low end/low quality products for the world.
I own many Chinese made products, some of which a very high quality, others not so much.
You are pretty spot on here . I remember when if is said made in Japan you put it down . Not so today We only still buy Sony TV ‘s for the home . Love our Subaru even though we have a older Ford truck too. There are so many products made in China that we buy , how about the Oxgenics shower head , Hope I spelled it right . However have wanted the bulldog coupler since I saw it on older trailers at a show and on Oliver trailer and some on this forum poo poo it . We just like to keep the trailer improved and we have had the coupler come undone. China makes some great products and maybe some not so great . But we shouldn’t just assume China makes nothing but junk , so not true . Pat
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Old 07-26-2020, 05:43 PM   #22
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Now Toyota reigns supreme over the US cars/trucks....
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Old 07-26-2020, 05:44 PM   #23
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Hi Pat- it is stamped on it. Also search Ram coupler; etrailer has an image that shows it. It has a distinct slender yoke latch. The Atwood latch is much wider.
Ross couldn’t find Ram on it and it is wide , the latch . So I guess we got a Attwood ?
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On etrailer they call it Pro Series, however it looks just like yours. Escape never used an Atwood to my knowledge. The lever on the Atwood is shorter and tapers out. The RAM or Pro Series coupler's latch being longer and more slender makes it easier I would think to bend it and that is something Escape always said was a potential user fault and not covered under warranty.

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On etrailer they call it Pro Series, however it looks just like yours. Escape never used an Atwood to my knowledge. The lever on the Atwood is shorter and tapers out. The RAM or Pro Series coupler's latch being longer and more slender makes it easier I would think to bend it and that is something Escape always said was a potential user fault and not covered under warranty.

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Ross took a look on etrailer and ours doesn’t look like that . It is wide and short ? Pat
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On etrailer they call it Pro Series, however it looks just like yours. Escape never used an Atwood to my knowledge. The lever on the Atwood is shorter and tapers out. The RAM or Pro Series coupler's latch being longer and more slender makes it easier I would think to bend it and that is something Escape always said was a potential user fault and not covered under warranty.

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That is not the RAM coupler. This is...
https://www.etrailer.com/A-Frame-Tra...CA-5210-B.html
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Old 07-27-2020, 11:49 AM   #27
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Are you sure? That is an 8K # coupler; doesn't Escape use a 5K?
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On etrailer they call it Pro Series, however it looks just like yours.
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That is not the RAM coupler. This is...
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Are you sure? That is an 8K # coupler; doesn't Escape use a 5K?
The eTrailer-branded CA-5210-B is certainly a Ram - it says so right in the description, at the end. It may not be exactly the same as the Ram used by Escape.
The Pro Series brand would not likely appear on a Ram, as Pro Series is a Cequent brand, like Reese, Draw-Tite, Hidden Hitch, Bulldog and Tekonsha.
The levers on these two couplers - the only yoke-type couplers offered by eTrailer - are just different enough that I would guess that they are not from the same manufacturer.

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The lever on the Atwood is shorter and tapers out. The RAM or Pro Series coupler's latch being longer and more slender makes it easier I would think to bend it and that is something Escape always said was a potential user fault and not covered under warranty.
Both of these latch levers look like they could bend easily, but especially the eTrailer/Ram with it's hole in the top. If enough force is used to bend even these levers, the coupler is jammed and real problem should be fixed rather than forcing the lever that much.
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Old 07-27-2020, 04:33 PM   #29
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Here is an Atwood coupler. Note the latch is shorter and flares outward. It is over four years old now with no hint of bending even after using the wooden handle of a large flathead screwdriver occasionally to start it upward when the coupler is not level on the ball giving resistance. I try to remember to pull yoke up prior to backing uphill (slight w/no bumps)to park. Can still put a chock in front and roll to it to help as well.

These don't seem to be a available anymore after Dometic swallowed Atwood.
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Ross couldn’t find Ram on it and it is wide , the latch . So I guess we got a Attwood ?
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Still can’t figure out what we have . It doesn’t appear to be a Ram . Pat
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Still can’t figure out what we have . It doesn’t appear to be a Ram . Pat

Do ewe not appear to have a Ram?
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Do ewe not appear to have a Ram?
Glenn the picture of ours doesn’t look like the skinny handles on the Ram’s . Ours is more substantial. Pat
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Pat- I seem to remember Escape going to the current RAM coupler with the long slender yoke latch lever around 2015. Not sure what ours was that we replaced after problems, yet know for sure it wasn't and Atwood.

Edit- pretty sure it was a RAM- and believe the design changed slightly in the lever around 2015.
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Pat- I seem to remember Escape going to the current RAM coupler with the long slender yoke latch lever around 2015. Not sure what ours was that we replaced after problems, yet know for sure it wasn't and Atwood.

Edit- pretty sure it was a RAM- and believe the design changed slightly in the lever around 2015.
Hey Ross I saw the Attwood stamped on your picture . We are going to change it out anyway as soon We can to the bulldog . Really like it and it will probably be the last one for us . I need to check with Greg and see what one he put on his trailer too. Thankyou anyway , must be some no name . Pat
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These don't seem to be a available anymore after Dometic swallowed Atwood.
Although Atwood had made couplers since 1936, Dometic apparently only wanted their air conditioners, cooktops/ranges, and refrigerators. Perhaps they'll spin the chassis hardware off to another company, but if that were going to happen it should have been done by now, since that acquisition was three years ago.
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I can’t stand this, I’m gong on the Lamb.. But I’m not
Towing with a Ram. We will be cooking mutton for lunch. What did ewe have today Tom?
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Are you sure? That is an 8K # coupler; doesn't Escape use a 5K?
Hard to be 100% positive with all the changes over the years. All I can say is that the RAM coupler on etrailer's site looks identical to ours. Where has Escape printed what rating their coupler has? I don't see any RAM a-frame coupler in that exact configuration rated less than the 8K. I'll see if our coupler has any markings to clearly identify it.
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