Generator for Escape 21

[jennykatz]

What is really crazy is the 9200 Coleman I have on my roof of my boat will not work at all with Sams club 2300 (I guess you get what you pay for )

[cpaharley2008]

That is odd as the Coleman Cub in my first E19 ran fine with a Yamaha 2000 genny.

[jennykatz]

i will try one more time to get it to work shutting off all 110 appliances in Escape 21 . I called support they haven't gotten back to me ? That is odd that your 2000 watt worked with same AC unit ? Maybe its a bad one or just a Chinese POS .I have had good luck with another 1000 watt generator from Sams club it worked my friends 6000 btu AC in his Truck camper . I was hoping for a lighter weight genset to work the boat and RV AC systems but no Cigar Jim

[jennykatz]

Well tried shutting off batteries but then thermostat didn’t work? But batteries showed 100% so converter shouldn’t come on . The SUA2300 did not let the AC work It started but would not run more then a few seconds Jim

[cpaharley2008]

Maybe exchange for another one of the SUA2300...?

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by jennykatz

Well tried shutting off batteries but then thermostat didn’t work? But batteries showed 100% so converter shouldn’t come on . The SUA2300 did not let the AC work It started but would not run more then a few seconds Jim

True, but you could also simply identify what 120V breaker the converter is wired to and turn it off.

If you read reviews on the A-iPower SUA2300 there are users that say they cannot run a small A/C or microwave. Clearly these units are not meeting their rating of 1800W running / 2300W starting.

[jennykatz]

It seems the Dometic AC will not come on without the 30amp converter breaker on? I've tried that also .I have a friend with a Honda 2000 inverter genset and will ask him to come down to boat to see if it runs ? and then see if it works with the Escape 21 . I thought for sure a 2300 would work maybe its a bad one ? I will try to call again support for this genset . Jim

Anyone have any luck with other brands besides Yamaha or Honda .Champion is to heavy with 2 handles .My 2400 Yamaha works Great but is over 80lb with fuel to heavy for this 70 year old to move around easily .I find 50lb or so with a single handle works Great for me .

[Greg A]

My 2015 19 has always run the AC fine with the WEN 2000i. I did have to build a grounding plug to get it to work correctly. Before I added the plug it would start the fan and when the compressor tried to start everything would shut down. After adding the grounding plug it has always worked fine.

[AKCamper]

I have run the AC on our 2016 Escape 19 on our Honda 2000 as well

[PGDriver]

My 2015 5.0TA works with a Honda 2000 but I decided to spend the extra and get the 2200.

[jennykatz]

How did you make the grounding plug since the 2300 only has one 20amp plug and one 30 amp plug Would you plug into the 20 amp plug and combine the neutral with the ground or just run a ground wire. Thanks Jim

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by jennykatz

It seems the Dometic AC will not come on without the 30amp converter breaker on?

The breaker to feed AC power to the converter/charger (so it can produce 12 V DC) is not 30 amp... it only needs to be 15 amp. If you mean a 30-amp breaker in the breaker panel of the WFCO Power Center, then there can be two of those:

1. the Main breaker that brings all shore power into the panel; and,
2. a breaker which feeds the sub-panel (with two breakers in it) that feeds the outlets in an installation with an all-outlets inverter.

The air conditioning breaker should be rated at 20 amps and clearly labelled, in the main WFCO breaker panel. Only that one and the main breaker would need to be on to run the air conditioner.

In some Escapes, the labelling of the Main and Converter breakers is not very clear - they are side-by-side and can be confused.

[tractors1]

Originally Posted by Greggo

Honda 2000i is more than adequate to run our ac.

Same here, 2000i and NO "Easy Start" mod to the Dometic A/C.........

[Vermilye]

Originally Posted by jennykatz

How did you make the grounding plug since the 2300 only has one 20amp plug and one 30 amp plug Would you plug into the 20 amp plug and combine the neutral with the ground or just run a ground wire. Thanks Jim

If the manufacturer used the correct polarity when connection between the 20 amp & 30 amp connector, adding the bonding plug to the 20 amp connector will work. The problem is that since there is no polarity other than the ground with most inverter generators, the manufacturer does not have to maintain it between the two connectors.

There was a long discussion of this problem at the RV.net forum, and the final solution was to rewire the 30 amp connector.

Adding a ground will not prevent the EMS from showing a fault. The EMS is looking for the bond between the ground & neutral, not a ground.

[rotorbudd]

I've got a Honda 2200 gen that will start my AC, but it needed to be out of ecco mode.I just added an Easy Start kit and the AC will start and run with the generator in ecco just fine now.
I tried a K03 hard start kit and it made starts worse than the small kit installed by the factory.
I'm going through the gen now and adding DynaMat inside the panels and wrapping the big muffler/spark arrester with header wrap. It also has a Hutch Mountian propane conversion kit.
So far it seems to have cut the sound by a lot. I'll post some pix when finished.

[jennykatz]

Well I asked a friend to use his 2000 Honda and it fired up both my Escape 1100 Dometic. And my 9200 Coleman AC on my boat worked fine The Honda showed 9.8 amps running the Dometic almost the same with Coleman When we fired up the new SUA2300it showed 14.8 amps??and would not run either AC .

The rep forSUA said it might need a new inverter that he would send me or send the unit back to California for a new one I don’t know about getting a new generator from SUA 2300 So the 30 amp is the main breaker so where is the converter breaker?


Also my elec box shows 6 breakers
1. 30 amp it says converter?
2. 15 or 20 amp fridge
3.and 4. 15 amp for plugs
5. 15 or 20 amp water heater
6. 20amp AC

[rubicon327]

Originally Posted by jennykatz

So the 30 amp is the main breaker so where is the converter breaker?
Also my elec box shows 6 breakers
1. 30 amp it says converter?
2. 15 or 20 amp fridge
3.and 4. 15 amp for plugs
5. 15 or 20 amp water heater
6. 20amp AC

My guess is it the converter is on #2 using a utility pigtail (two black wires combined to become one wire under the breaker lug) with the fridge. The labels don’t line up well sometimes.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by jennykatz

... So the 30 amp is the main breaker so where is the converter breaker?

Also my elec box shows 6 breakers
1. 30 amp it says converter?
2. 15 or 20 amp fridge
3.and 4. 15 amp for plugs
5. 15 or 20 amp water heater
6. 20amp AC

The first breaker is a master which feeds power in for the entire panel - that's normally labelled "Main" and has a 30-amp rating. The other breakers supply power out to the branch circuits to which everything is connected. And as Dave explained...

Originally Posted by rubicon327

My guess is it the converter is on #2 using a utility pigtail (two black wires combined to become one wire under the breaker lug) with the fridge. The labels don’t line up well sometimes.

[John in Santa Cruz]

another data point, I have an offbrand '2000VA' yamaha powered generator which turns out to only be capable of 1300 watts sustained, instead of the ~1600 watts the Honda 2000's can do.

key issue is that VA is not the same as watts in AC. it is in DC, but AC has this thing called 'power factor' or PF which relates to the inductance of the load, and causes the amps to lag the volts, so the watts is Volts * Amps * PowerFactor (PF ranges from around 0.5 to 1.0, where 1.0 is a purely resistive load, and 0.5 is a heavily inductive load).

[jumboscott]

Any issues with the EMS-HW30c (ETI installed surge protector) and generators? Would EMS system need to be in "bypass mode" for generator to work? Read somewhere if running in "bypass mode", would void warranty. Need to check on that. thanks