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Old 04-15-2020, 03:21 PM   #61
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Yes, when traveling not in the campground. We helped with hurricanes Katrina and Rita and often parked on the side of the road and in those picnic rest stops or in a diagonal 18 wheeler spots. We had a rear bed model and I had trouble sleeping anywhere where someone could easily rear end us. Driving the highways so much we saw many rear end accidents and in rest stops too. Seeing those accidents stuck with me. But I am very safety conscious anyway. I guess it's not something most think about but I sleep better in the front with the truck hitched.
It is pretty easy to use your 7-pin lead plugged into a female 7-pin receptacle mounted somewhere on your trailer to turn on all the running lights on your trailer. It is a pretty low draw on the battery since all the lights are LED. See how to do this on this thread.

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This adds a significant margin of safety in those situations you described as your rig is lit up like a Christmas tree!

These photos show how I did this on my 5.0. (Of course the lights are more dramatic in the dark.)
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Old 04-15-2020, 03:33 PM   #62
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That is exactly why I leave the trailer tail and running lights on at night, for visibility reasons and safety. We usually stop at a rest area and have to park with the big boys, they usually leave their parking lights on, so do we.
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Old 04-15-2020, 04:50 PM   #63
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Which begs the question - how do you install a queen size murphy bed 80" long in a trailer such that it doesn't hit the ceiling? My 21' has a 6' 3" or 75" high ceiling. For a queen murphy bed, it would have to be at least 80" - maybe more due to the pivot on the bed and framing.
The obvious answer is "you don't". At this point we are only seeing the floor plan images, without dimensions, specifications, or description; was the Murphy bed ever claimed to be queen-sized? I've seen Murphy beds in RVs, but I don't know if any of them were full queen length (80").
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Old 04-15-2020, 06:46 PM   #64
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Which begs the question - how do you install a queen size murphy bed 80" long in a trailer such that it doesn't hit the ceiling? My 21' has a 6' 3" or 75" high ceiling. For a queen murphy bed, it would have to be at least 80" - maybe more due to the pivot on the bed and framing.

Maybe I missed it somewhere but what is the ceiling height for the 23' going to be?
I saw a Class B that had a king Murphy bed that was a full 80” long. The foam mattress was hinged up near the head of the bed so that the full length of the bed did not fold up against the wall. And the bed was against a side wall, not length-wise. The creative use of space is one of the things that fascinates me about the RV industry!
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Old 04-16-2020, 08:26 AM   #65
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This adds a significant margin of safety in those situations you described as your rig is lit up like a Christmas tree!
Thanks Arnie, I saw your original post and thought that the extra lighting was such a good idea. We'll do that in ours.
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Old 04-16-2020, 08:29 AM   #66
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That is exactly why I leave the trailer tail and running lights on at night, for visibility reasons and safety. We usually stop at a rest area and have to park with the big boys, they usually leave their parking lights on, so do we.
Thanks Jim. We do the same and have extra reflective tape on the rear of our trailer. Glad to know others are safety conscious too.
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Old 04-16-2020, 08:38 AM   #67
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We have over nighted at Walmart and Cracker Barrel parking lots and never had a problem finding what Id consider a safe place to park. Dont think Id even park anywhere I thought wed get hit. And if youre worried about getting hit by a tractor trailer in an Escape, front bedroom or back , I dont see making a big difference.
Yes, it's no problem at Walmart and Cracker Barrel. Sometimes a safe place is harder to find. You're right, I have seen plenty of tree damage and know even a branch can total a trailer. I don't expect a tractor trailer to hit us at full speed but if it happened I rather be injured than dead. Thanks for your input.
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Any news on the holding tank sizes?
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Old 04-16-2020, 04:18 PM   #69
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Any news on the holding tank sizes?
I'm curious, is the tank size a selling point or what?
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Old 04-16-2020, 04:33 PM   #70
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It is pretty easy to use your 7-pin lead plugged into a female 7-pin receptacle mounted somewhere on your trailer to turn on all the running lights on your trailer. It is a pretty low draw on the battery since all the lights are LED.
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That is exactly why I leave the trailer tail and running lights on at night, for visibility reasons and safety. We usually stop at a rest area and have to park with the big boys, they usually leave their parking lights on, so do we.
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Thanks Arnie, I saw your original post and thought that the extra lighting was such a good idea. We'll do that in ours.
You don't need anything elaborate to do this (like an expensive vehicle side 7-way plug with jumper wiring). Just unplug from your tow vehicle and place a 15A fuse in between the top two pins on the trailer side plug. This bridges the 12V+ black (backfeed from trailer battery) and the running lights (green). It works. I know because I have done it.
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I'm curious, is the tank size a selling point or what?
I'm hoping that the larger models will have larger tanks. Larger tanks for me, is one of the selling points.
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Old 04-16-2020, 05:32 PM   #72
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I'm curious, is the tank size a selling point or what?

The tank size was a selling point for me on the 5.0TA. If they had been 20, like the black was going to be, I would have passed on it.
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Old 04-16-2020, 06:02 PM   #73
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You don't need anything elaborate to do this (like an expensive vehicle side 7-way plug with jumper wiring). Just unplug from your tow vehicle and place a 15A fuse in between the top two pins on the trailer side plug. This bridges the 12V+ black (backfeed from trailer battery) and the running lights (green). It works. I know because I have done it.
True, but not nearly as much fun as doing it the hard way.

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Old 04-16-2020, 07:08 PM   #74
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I'm curious, is the tank size a selling point or what?
they are if you boondock much.

I dry camp at various astronomy events and music festivals, and can easily go a week using the tanks on my 21', thats good enough for me.
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Old 04-16-2020, 07:27 PM   #75
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For me, I don't really worry too much about the fresh water tank size, and just haul extra in the bed of the truck on occasions I need more. These containers are also great went needing to pick up some more during a long stay or in the boondocks.
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I haul 5-10 gallons of drinking water in water cooler style carboys, my trailer water is for washing, flushing, showers.
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Old 04-16-2020, 08:49 PM   #77
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I haul 5-10 gallons of drinking water in water cooler style carboys, my trailer water is for washing, flushing, showers.
Ditto that; very picky with drinking water.
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For those who wonder why the bathroom shower placement differs between the queen and twin bed setup, the queen is designed to give space to walk around the bed. With 2 twins, you have access to the beds from the middle, so the foot of one twin backs up to the wall of the shower. Hope this helps.
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Comparing the two models, the queen is designed to walk around the bed. With 2 twins, you have access to the beds from the middle, so the foot of one twin backs up to the wall of the shower. Hope this helps, as it does make sense to me.
Makes sense, but still a lousy layout IMHO. Makes the bed hard to make. I'd rather have the extra space at the foot of the twin, than one side of the dinette. YMMV.
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I haul 5-10 gallons of drinking water in water cooler style carboys, my trailer water is for washing, flushing, showers.
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