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11-09-2022, 07:42 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
Trailer: 2017 Escape 19' and 2004 Tundra
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Hopefully the loose wire theory proves true. It seems most likely.
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11-09-2022, 08:26 AM
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#22
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Ridgway, Colorado
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkinVan
A spare pump sounds like a good practice.
I'm curious about connectors. Wanting to add an accumulator.
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It would be a spare part you would probably never use, These pumps last decades and are very reliable.
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11-09-2022, 11:36 AM
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#23
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkinVan
A spare pump sounds like a good practice.
I'm curious about connectors. Wanting to add an accumulator.
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I didn't have to mess with any connectors when installing an accumulator in my 19. Black object on left side of photo. As you can see they use crimped butt connectors.
If I had to remove or replace the pump I'd use spade connectors to make re&re easy.
Ron
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11-11-2022, 01:32 AM
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#24
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: Maplewood, Minnesota
Trailer: 2021 Escape 21NE
Posts: 241
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanandDaphne
It would be a spare part you would probably never use, These pumps last decades and are very reliable.
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I would not guarantee that anything would last decades, particularly an item that involves electrical and mechanical components.
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11-11-2022, 01:39 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: Maplewood, Minnesota
Trailer: 2021 Escape 21NE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
I didn't have to mess with any connectors when installing an accumulator in my 19. Black object on left side of photo. As you can see they use crimped butt connectors.
If I had to remove or replace the pump I'd use spade connectors to make re&re easy.
Ron
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
I didn't have to mess with any connectors when installing an accumulator in my 19. Black object on left side of photo. As you can see they use crimped butt connectors.
If I had to remove or replace the pump I'd use spade connectors to make re&re easy.
Ron
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Good idea, Ron. Doing so would certainly make life easier. I would not bet that a device such as a pump, which incorporates electrical and mechanical components, would last for years. As evidenced in numerous discussions on this forum, "stuff fails" and it seems the onus is often on the individual who purchases the trailer to remediate faults and failures.
In regards to the fittings used for the pump and associated hardware, the issue I have encountered seems to be mixing fittings with NPT ("tapered") and NPSM ("straight mechanical") threads. Male NPSM threads are not compatible with female NPT threads based upon some of the literature I have read. I had an interesting discussion with Shurflo in regards to this matter.
The fittings on products advertised in the Shurflo online catalogue vary between NPSM and NPT. For example, the water strainer used by Escape in our 21 NE has female NPT threads that connect to the inlet pump port, which has male NPSM threads. A proposed solution from Shurflo in order to obtain an adequate seal is to use Teflon tape on the male NPSM threads on the pump ports. To determine what's what, I had to dig quite a bit online in order to determine the specifications on items such as this:
Swivel Nut Water Strainer (D)
255-225
(255-325)
Easy Assembly. Keeps Debris Out of Pump.
Easy to See When Strainer Needs
Cleaning. 50 Mesh Stainless Steel Screen 1/2” [13mm]
In doing any maintenance or upgrades on this trailer, I hope to minimize risk and maximize longevity, particularly in matters involving components related to safety and day-to-day needs. I cannot do without brakes that work dependably, water that is readily available and reliable heat and power.
Any thoughts on combining fittings with NPT and NPSM threads?
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11-11-2022, 06:50 AM
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Location: Maplewood, Minnesota
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Nice installation, Ron. I see you installed the pump with the motor oriented right-side up. Mine was installed upside down. Water from the pump assembly would leak down into the motor if a seal failed.
What fittings did you use? I see some copper pipe connecting to the PEX. Plywood mount for the accumulator? I was comparing with Eggscape's setup. He used two T-straps to mount his accumulator.
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11-11-2022, 12:15 PM
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#27
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
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To be honest I've been using brass fittings for air, hydraulic and plumbing work for so long that it doesn't even register for a nanosecond on my brain what's needed. I just reach into a bin and grab the fitting. The 19 was done a long time ago.
Different installation in the 21. Fittings are visible.
Ron
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11-11-2022, 01:00 PM
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#28
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
Trailer: Escape#5 2022 E19
Posts: 26,268
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There appears to be an Escape Rally red/white bag in your photo, I have one here also, some schwag handed out at prior rallies.....
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11-11-2022, 03:13 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
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Yes it is along with cap, T shirt and fleece and the folding cooler that they handed out this year. Sometimes I feel like a walking ETI ad.
Ron
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11-11-2022, 10:05 PM
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#30
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: Maplewood, Minnesota
Trailer: 2021 Escape 21NE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
To be honest I've been using brass fittings for air, hydraulic and plumbing work for so long that it doesn't even register for a nanosecond on my brain what's needed. I just reach into a bin and grab the fitting. The 19 was done a long time ago.
Different installation in the 21. Fittings are visible.
Ron
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Ron, those braided hoses are the ticket. Where did you get them? The braided steel brake lines on my old Kawasaki almost pale in comparison to those. Please bring your bin to the Rally in the Valley!
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11-12-2022, 11:42 AM
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#31
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
Trailer: 2014 Escape 19, sold; 2019 Escape 21, Sept. 2019
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Probably at Home Depot. Standard item for hooking up a faucet.
Ron
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11-12-2022, 11:56 AM
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#32
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
Yes it is along with cap, T shirt and fleece and the folding cooler that they handed out this year. Sometimes I feel like a walking ETI ad.
Ron
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Somehow I missed the free stuff at the rally....
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11-12-2022, 02:52 PM
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#33
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Ridgway, Colorado
Trailer: 2018,5.0 TA
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Did you get your water pump working yet?
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11-12-2022, 05:14 PM
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#34
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanandDaphne
Did you get your water pump working yet?
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No, I purchased a hand pump in order to winterize and waiting on Escape to determine if they will be sending me another one. but they are closed until Monday.
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11-12-2022, 06:53 PM
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#35
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Snohomish, Washington
Trailer: 2017 19 foot sold, 2022 21C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cpaharley2008
No, I purchased a hand pump in order to winterize and waiting on Escape to determine if they will be sending me another one. but they are closed until Monday.
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I'm very interested to see if they do send a replacement versus making you go direct to the pump manufacturer for a warranty replacement as all of other posts I've seen on defective pumps.
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11-12-2022, 09:36 PM
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#36
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Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Van., British Columbia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by diannelgraham
I'm very interested to see if they do send a replacement versus making you go direct to the pump manufacturer for a warranty replacement as all of other posts I've seen on defective pumps.
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I had a defective "old style" kitchen faucet and they replaced it with a new style one without me having to deal with the manufacturer.
Jim, did you test for voltage right at the pump?
Ron
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11-12-2022, 09:44 PM
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#37
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Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Snohomish, Washington
Trailer: 2017 19 foot sold, 2022 21C
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron in BC
I had a defective "old style" kitchen faucet and they replaced it with a new style one without me having to deal with the manufacturer.
Jim, did you test for voltage right at the pump?
Ron
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I'm sure Jim will report on the out come
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11-13-2022, 08:26 AM
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#38
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Location: Central, Pennsylvania
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Yes, there is voltage at the pump, which leads me to believe the pump is defective......
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11-13-2022, 01:25 PM
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Member
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DanandDaphne
It would be a spare part you would probably never use, These pumps last decades and are very reliable.
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Until they don't. WHEN you do need a spare pump, I guarantee that:
- You will not be at home so as to be able to search for the best price and have it delivered to the house and install it at your leisure.
- You will have to search high and low for a replacement and when you find one it will cost a lot more than at Amazon.
- You may find yourself without all the necessary tools and easy access to any other miscellaneous parts you may need.
- You should carry the spare.
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11-13-2022, 02:24 PM
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#40
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Location: Ridgway, Colorado
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scubarx
Until they don't. WHEN you do need a spare pump, I guarantee that:
- You will not be at home so as to be able to search for the best price and have it delivered to the house and install it at your leisure.
- You will have to search high and low for a replacement and when you find one it will cost a lot more than at Amazon.
- You may find yourself without all the necessary tools and easy access to any other miscellaneous parts you may need.
- You should carry the spare.
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I guess you missed that I said Probably won't need. Yes I know anything mechanical can fail. And I never said you should or shouldn't anything.
This is from my own personal experience. I lived full time in first a school bus conversion then a travel trailer for over 20 years no hookups. In all that time I never had to repair or replace a sureflow pump.
What's your experience with these pumps?
I will not be buying a spare, thank you.
YOU should carry a spare if that's what YOU want to do.
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