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Old 10-03-2017, 11:19 PM   #1
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Oxidation Removal

Ok, so I checked and didn't see any in-depth thread on this subject. Our 21 turned 3 last month and we haven't covered it. After some research I've decided to use Meguiar's # 67 with a DEWALT DWP849X. This is a variable speed rotary polisher, not a Dual-Action random orbital. Gel coats evidently need the heat and friction to remove oxidation and restore the gelcoat. Will post some pics of before & after. This guy made it clear for me. The DeWalt I bought didn't include the kit he shows and was $153. on Amazon. Also bought three wool pads to buff with.


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Old 10-03-2017, 11:34 PM   #2
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Sounds too much like work to me, Ross. I'll stick with Aero 303; we can compare results in a couple of years.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:35 PM   #3
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I use my son-in-law, equipped with a Porter Cable polisher, his collection of abrasive creams ( polishes ) talent and experience.
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:44 PM   #4
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Hi Don- let's compare! 303 is a great product, however don't believe it is the best for gelcoats.
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I think duration of time, and how much time spent in hot sun affects it no matter what you use, or do.Ours is a 2014 as well, we spent 4 months at a time in the direct hot sun of Florida.
Ours started oxidizing last year. We used Mcguires marine liquid wax, we waxed it 4 times a year, and waxed the Front of the trailer, more than that. Oxidization still showed up.
It sure would be nice to find a product, that just by using it- would stop it all together, I'm not sure it exists. The first 2 years it looked brand new, then the Oxidization seemed to happen fairly quickly.
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Old 10-04-2017, 06:36 AM   #6
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Has anyone gone to Polyglow ? I ended up doing that with our 13 year old Casita, and it does make it shine better than new. However, I really don't want to get into that with our new Escape ( pickup June '18), it's a ton of work. I was hoping that keeping it covered along with frequent waxing would suffice, but it doesn't look like that will be the case... Uh oh...

All this cutting compound with buffing slowly removes the gelcoat.

( This is another huge debate on the Casita forums...btw...)
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Old 10-04-2017, 09:59 AM   #7
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This quote from a Meguiar's Product Specialist makes sense to me. If I wait too long it will end up looking like a yukky Casita around the corner. Going forward I think using the right Cleaner Wax (#61) regularly is going to help keep oxidation from accumulating.

"Gel coat is a whole different animal than automotive paint. If you've got gel coat dating back to '99 it's actually getting fairly old, and if it hasn't been taken care of very regularly you're going to be in a position of having to really stay on it now to keep it looking good. Gel coat is a lot thicker, a lot harder, and much more porous than automotive paint is. This means it usually requires a more aggressive compound/abrasive makeup than what you want on paint. Which is why 3M and Meguiar's both make gel coat specific products (and, no they are not the same products in different bottles!). While you can use automotive products like Ultimate Compound on oxidized gel coat, they usually aren't quite strong enough to really do the job.

If you really need to get through the oxidation we'd suggest using either our M44 Oxidation Remover or M67 One Step Compound. We're inclined to go with M67 given your description as it's a great all around compound/cleaner for gel coats that are showing some age. But even so, you're going to need to do some very regular waxing on this surface to keep it looking good over time. That means maybe even just going with M61 Flagship Premium Cleaner Wax once you've got the oxidation removed. Regular use of this wax will clean light, fresh oxidation that is going to develop over time (and it will come quicker now that the gel coat has aged this much) and help to keep the finish looking fresh. M61 is going to offer better protection than our M56 Pure Wax and it's going to give you that cleaning ability that M56 lacks. But it's important to use M61 Flagship Premium Cleaner Wax and not just the M63 Flagship Premium Marine Wax.
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This quote from a Meguiar's Product Specialist makes sense to me. If I wait too long it will end up looking like a yukky Casita around the corner. Going forward I think using the right Cleaner Wax (#61) regularly is going to help keep oxidation from accumulating.

"Gel coat is a whole different animal than automotive paint. If you've got gel coat dating back to '99 it's actually getting fairly old, and if it hasn't been taken care of very regularly you're going to be in a position of having to really stay on it now to keep it looking good. Gel coat is a lot thicker, a lot harder, and much more porous than automotive paint is. This means it usually requires a more aggressive compound/abrasive makeup than what you want on paint. Which is why 3M and Meguiar's both make gel coat specific products (and, no they are not the same products in different bottles!). While you can use automotive products like Ultimate Compound on oxidized gel coat, they usually aren't quite strong enough to really do the job.

If you really need to get through the oxidation we'd suggest using either our M44 Oxidation Remover or M67 One Step Compound. We're inclined to go with M67 given your description as it's a great all around compound/cleaner for gel coats that are showing some age. But even so, you're going to need to do some very regular waxing on this surface to keep it looking good over time. That means maybe even just going with M61 Flagship Premium Cleaner Wax once you've got the oxidation removed. Regular use of this wax will clean light, fresh oxidation that is going to develop over time (and it will come quicker now that the gel coat has aged this much) and help to keep the finish looking fresh. M61 is going to offer better protection than our M56 Pure Wax and it's going to give you that cleaning ability that M56 lacks. But it's important to use M61 Flagship Premium Cleaner Wax and not just the M63 Flagship Premium Marine Wax.
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I wonder if using lots of M63 right off the bat would eliminate the need for the cleaner waxing ? Or, can we not stop the oxidation at all? Is it inevitable ? ( I have fantasized about just painting our fiberglass camper like a car, good quality paint with clearcoat. )
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I wonder if using lots of M63 right off the bat would eliminate the need for the cleaner waxing ? Or, can we not stop the oxidation at all? Is it inevitable ? ( I have fantasized about just painting our fiberglass camper like a car, good quality paint with clearcoat. )
At least the roof, like Airstreams.....
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At least the roof, like Airstreams.....


The top half of these campers do get the worst of it. The bottom half of our Casita was actually fine but the top went very chalky.


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