As If The Ugly Tesla Truck Was Not Enough

[Iowa Dave]

I would not worry about tree planting efforts in Germany. Their sustainable forestry practices have been textbook examples for many years. More appropriate to worry about the rainforests, fires in Australia and the lack of progress in halting the spread of mountain pine beetle, hemlock adelgids, Asian longhorn beetles, ash borers, spruce budworm, questionable fire prevention practices and on and on, right in our country. The USA, Canada, South America and as I mentioned Australia. have bigger problems than trees in Germany. In my opinion.
Iowa Dave

[Hollybee]

Been reading blogs from different sources since we came to FL for our winter “ vacation from life” ...from the “Big Gray “ of winter in TN. Lots of posts out there about the coming demise of internal combustion vehicles ( ICVs) and gvt mandated electric vehicles (EVs)
Got to wondering....in the EU there are several gvts wh have already announced plans to curb ICVs and or end them altogether by 2030.and how the various mfrs are being forced to go along. One particular EU mfr ( Peugeot)also now owns Dodge Ram Chrysler. Jeep. & It appears that the bureaucrats are using spurious climate models to drive our clean ICVS out of cities and towns in EU Could this gvt interference be coming to USA??
One wonders what next and what the heck will happen to the RV industry and our cherished ability to go camping and go off grid? As an aside there is data coming out wh shows makers of EVs in USA AND EU have been OVERESTIMATING the range their vehicles can go by about 20-25% (between charges) and somehow forgetting to mention that EVs have even less range in hot or cold weather and while TOWING
What say ye? For reference you might want to read any of several recent articles by Eric Peters, a long time writer of stuff for the automobile public and fir Car & Driver mag.

[alanmalk]

Originally Posted by Hollybee

Been reading blogs...

Hmmm, "Power Bait"?


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Alan

[emers382]

EV's in Europe. Apparently the price of power is going as high as .79euros per kwh. An interesting video here tells how much (and how long) it would take to drive from Paris to Madrid.

I don't think we need to start worrying about how we'll go camping in the future in NA. Now maybe in Europe
https://realclimatescience.com/2020/...en-new-deal-2/

[gbaglo]

BTW. There are billions of people on this earth who could not care less if you or I can buy a truck. That's called a 'first world problem'.

[Donna D.]

NO MORE POLITICS! We don't want to close this thread. IF you want to talk about an ugly truck, fine. Politics don't belong on the EscapeForum.

[emers382]

Sorry Donna I guess I started it in post 44, before that we were talking EV"s

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Hollybee

....in the EU there are several gvts wh have already announced plans to curb ICVs and or end them altogether by 2030.

There have been lots of announcements, but much less actual action. Also, every national announcement that I have seen addresses sales of new motor vehicles, not the operation of existing vehicles.

It will be a long time before engine-driven vehicles are off the roads.

Originally Posted by Hollybee

One particular EU mfr ( Peugeot)also now owns Dodge Ram Chrysler. Jeep.

That combination of Peugeot and Fiat Chrysler Automobiles is a merger of two companies of similar size, not simply Peugeot buying FCA. In any case, FCA was already as much Fiat as Chrysler; it was already a European company... which makes little difference to their product lineup. They continue to make the muscle cars and big trucks and SUVs with big V8's that North Americans want, even though there is no place for those in their European lineup.

Originally Posted by Hollybee

As an aside there is data coming out wh shows makers of EVs in USA AND EU have been OVERESTIMATING the range their vehicles can go by about 20-25% (between charges) and somehow forgetting to mention that EVs have even less range in hot or cold weather and while TOWING

All standardized testing of vehicle energy consumption has issues. The EPA/Transport Canada testing has long been criticized for overestimating fuel economy for gasoline and diesel vehicles. The European standards for EV testing (WLTP and especially the older NEDC) have been widely recognized as unrealistic, but the situation is improving. Here's an overview of the situation (from an Australian viewpoint): Why are new electric vehicle range estimates often so different?. There's even an InsideEVs article providing conversion factors to go between the three standards.

Yes, weather affects all vehicles, and affects EV range more strongly then engine-driven vehicle range. That's no secret, and acknowledged by EV manufacturers.

Of course towing affects range, again with an EV or an engine. The effect is probably more predictable with an EV, because there is less change in powertrain (engine/motor and transmission) efficiency with load; a large truck gets lousy fuel economy but doesn't get much worse with a moderate trailer as the engine starts working in it's target range, while a smaller engine-driven vehicle gets better fuel economy empty, but suffers more from the trailer, and an EV will just use about twice as much energy to move with a trailer comparable to its own size attached.

[Effie]

My wife’s Chevy Bolt regularly exceeds the 238 official range when driving in town in warm weather, in the relatively mild north California winter or while doing 70 on the freeway, results are not as good. On the other hand, my gas powered SUV never reached the official EPA estimates city or highway.

[DavidGlen]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

NO MORE POLITICS! We don't want to close this thread.

[Eire]

The interesting thing about the Cybertruck is the price it offers for what it can do. The base model can tow 7500lbs and only costs 40k USD. Sure..its looks butt ugly but with battery advancements I would imagine longer range will be offered by the time it goes to production. $$ rules at the end of the day and I think we will see a lot of folks shift to driving them just for the economics. Interesting times we live in....

[EdColorado]

Tesla battery technology.
Soon for cars and then for trucks.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN22Q1WC

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Eire

The interesting thing about the Cybertruck is the price it offers for what it can do.

There is no Cybertruck, just concept vehicles and marketing demos. So perhaps you meant "the price it is promised for (and won't sell at) for what it is promised to do". Keep in mind that the promised US$35K Model 3 never appeared, and that the new Roadster was shown to the public a couple of years ago but there are still no committed plans to actually build it... just confirmation from Musk that it will be after the truck and after a new version of the Model S.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by EdColorado

Tesla battery technology.
Soon for cars and then for trucks.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKBN22Q1WC

If any of the performance or cost goals are actually achieved, they will be equally applicable to any size or type of EV, so I don't know why this would be first for cars and then for trucks; perhaps the assumption is that this battery technology will go into production (and so be used for cars built in China) before the Cybertruck model is built... but since both the battery tech and the truck model have indeterminate timing their order is unknown. Any rational manufacturer (which even includes Tesla when Musk keeps out of decisions) would use the best (including cost and performance) available technology when each model is introduced.

[Mike Lewis]

Let's stir the pot a little :


https://www.chron.com/business/artic...t-15831399.php

[Ops]

I've tossed in a YouTube video from a plain talking Aussie automotive engineer on the topic of Tesla. It's worth a watch both about Tesla specifically and the development of electric vehicles by mainstream manufacturers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmJAeKLVVTY

Caution:
Humour, Some Strong language which may be unsuitable for some viewers.
(He's a plain speaking Aussie after all on his own channel).

Now if that's not click bait for many, nothing is.

[John in Santa Cruz]

yeah, the minute GM/Ford/Toyota/VW/Mercedes/etc get serious about pure electric cars, Tesla will be a has-been so fast its not funny.

[yangstyle]

Originally Posted by Mike Lewis

Let's stir the pot a little :


https://www.chron.com/business/artic...t-15831399.php

Those Tesla's are HOT!!!!

[Effie]

It is clear that Tesla proved an electric car can be built and sold successfully. In an interview, when asked about the large car manufactures competition with his electric cars, Elon Musk said that if Tesla have to close shop it’s fine with him, the company already did what he wanted it to do.
And no, I don’t own a Tesla and have no plans to do so in the near future.

[Brian B-P]

Originally Posted by Effie

In an interview, when asked about the large car manufactures competition with his electric cars, Elon Musk said that if Tesla have to close shop it’s fine with him, the company already did what he wanted it to do.

I can believe that... investors have made Musk much richer by paying far too much for Tesla shares, so it has accomplished all he wanted.